1 00:00:02,339 --> 00:00:07,168 this landed at a ranch at Corona New 2 00:00:04,919 --> 00:00:10,109 Mexico a rancher turned it over to the 3 00:00:07,168 --> 00:00:12,179 airport writer WW Brazil was the man who 4 00:00:10,109 --> 00:00:14,548 discovered the softens what I thought 5 00:00:12,179 --> 00:00:18,000 was a star began coming in my direction 6 00:00:14,548 --> 00:00:20,129 at a very rapid rate of speed the 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,109 unidentified objects which some sources 8 00:00:20,129 --> 00:00:23,939 thought might be a blimp moves all 9 00:00:22,109 --> 00:00:26,310 around the Pacific coast from santa 10 00:00:23,939 --> 00:00:29,338 monica and disappeared south of Long 11 00:00:26,309 --> 00:00:31,710 Beach I saw a UFO and it went down the 12 00:00:29,338 --> 00:00:35,719 river turned right as the United Nations 13 00:00:31,710 --> 00:00:35,719 turn left and then down the river 14 00:00:38,740 --> 00:00:48,350 you are full classified no more 15 00:00:43,219 --> 00:00:52,519 plausible deniability fact fiction or 16 00:00:48,350 --> 00:00:55,219 the truth you decide and now the new 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:59,140 voice of the high desert the hostess of 18 00:00:55,219 --> 00:01:01,579 UFO classified Erica Luke's 19 00:00:59,140 --> 00:01:03,920 good afternoon good evening my friends 20 00:01:01,579 --> 00:01:06,079 I'm Erica Luke's I was happy to be here 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,240 on a Friday evening and it is at it is 22 00:01:06,079 --> 00:01:11,030 glorious here in Utah hope because 23 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:13,909 they're having weather like I am here I 24 00:01:11,030 --> 00:01:16,250 got out to take the dogs for a walk and 25 00:01:13,909 --> 00:01:18,978 did research and just had a really 26 00:01:16,250 --> 00:01:20,569 really great day and now I'm spending it 27 00:01:18,978 --> 00:01:22,700 with friends from all over the world 28 00:01:20,569 --> 00:01:25,758 people who faithfully support the show 29 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:28,520 and who understand that we need to get 30 00:01:25,759 --> 00:01:30,829 good credible information out there we 31 00:01:28,519 --> 00:01:34,939 need to have integrity and respect for 32 00:01:30,829 --> 00:01:37,429 each other and I am I am always happy to 33 00:01:34,939 --> 00:01:40,219 try to help facilitate that in the best 34 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:42,410 way that I can I have had a couple of 35 00:01:40,219 --> 00:01:44,659 different TV shows on this week which is 36 00:01:42,409 --> 00:01:48,289 meant that I've received messages more 37 00:01:44,659 --> 00:01:50,569 messages and and requests to follow me 38 00:01:48,289 --> 00:01:53,750 on Twitter and Instagram and I'm trying 39 00:01:50,569 --> 00:01:55,789 to keep my social media going on but I'm 40 00:01:53,750 --> 00:01:58,478 telling it's it's never a dull moment in 41 00:01:55,789 --> 00:02:01,069 that world you can listen or watch me on 42 00:01:58,478 --> 00:02:03,349 UFOs the lost evidence on the Travel 43 00:02:01,069 --> 00:02:05,390 Channel on Tuesdays and the Science 44 00:02:03,349 --> 00:02:08,868 Channel NASA's unexplained files on 45 00:02:05,390 --> 00:02:10,969 Thursday I will be in the second season 46 00:02:08,868 --> 00:02:13,340 of UFOs the last evidence that should be 47 00:02:10,969 --> 00:02:16,639 coming up fairly quickly and I always 48 00:02:13,340 --> 00:02:19,189 have other things in the works but my 49 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,049 big excitement that I need to tell you 50 00:02:19,189 --> 00:02:24,189 about is the fact that in less than a 51 00:02:21,050 --> 00:02:27,080 month I will be in Santa Clarita 52 00:02:24,189 --> 00:02:29,479 visiting my dear friend and co-author 53 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:32,420 Gordon lore who has been on my show many 54 00:02:29,479 --> 00:02:34,789 times Gordon has written several books 55 00:02:32,419 --> 00:02:38,958 two of which were very groundbreaking 56 00:02:34,789 --> 00:02:41,780 back in the 60s and I have I have links 57 00:02:38,959 --> 00:02:45,560 to his books on my show I will also be 58 00:02:41,780 --> 00:02:47,120 with archivist Tom to lean who was on 59 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:50,280 the show last week with Barry Greenwood 60 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,680 and I will have be with Jan Aldridge to 61 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,810 we'll hopefully get to see John 62 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,900 Greenwald and Greg Bishop online there 63 00:02:54,810 --> 00:03:01,979 so it will be a wonderful opportunity to 64 00:02:57,900 --> 00:03:06,030 meet people in person and to also help 65 00:03:01,979 --> 00:03:08,340 Gordon with historical archiving he's 66 00:03:06,030 --> 00:03:10,379 got some incredible files there and then 67 00:03:08,340 --> 00:03:12,509 also to work on the book which should 68 00:03:10,379 --> 00:03:14,969 hopefully be out by the end of the year 69 00:03:12,509 --> 00:03:19,169 I'm really excited about that so I will 70 00:03:14,969 --> 00:03:21,439 be posting videos and photos online so 71 00:03:19,169 --> 00:03:23,549 you can all join me on this 72 00:03:21,439 --> 00:03:28,739 once-in-a-lifetime adventure it'll be 73 00:03:23,550 --> 00:03:30,810 really really cool I am honestly as you 74 00:03:28,739 --> 00:03:34,080 know I feel very very passionately and 75 00:03:30,810 --> 00:03:36,890 very deeply about this subject I have 76 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:40,469 had a lifetime full of experiences and 77 00:03:36,889 --> 00:03:43,708 like many of you I don't know how to 78 00:03:40,469 --> 00:03:47,099 process some of that I have turned to 79 00:03:43,709 --> 00:03:50,640 the UFO community for help it has been 80 00:03:47,099 --> 00:03:53,340 difficult as most of you know but I have 81 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:57,929 been blessed to find people like Scott 82 00:03:53,340 --> 00:04:00,539 Brown like RJ like how northern UFOs 83 00:03:57,930 --> 00:04:03,959 David Cook Doug Bruce all of you and 84 00:04:00,539 --> 00:04:05,669 Phil all of you are here because you 85 00:04:03,959 --> 00:04:09,090 understand that there is something that 86 00:04:05,669 --> 00:04:11,639 affects all of us and it deserves to be 87 00:04:09,090 --> 00:04:14,219 respected it deserves to be studied and 88 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:17,579 it deserves to be dealt with with 89 00:04:14,219 --> 00:04:19,918 integrity the two three people that I 90 00:04:17,579 --> 00:04:22,668 have on tonight are people that I have 91 00:04:19,918 --> 00:04:25,409 been in contact with for over a year 92 00:04:22,668 --> 00:04:27,930 they're people that have had experiences 93 00:04:25,410 --> 00:04:30,750 here in Utah and they're very very 94 00:04:27,930 --> 00:04:32,160 bravely coming forward tonight for the 95 00:04:30,750 --> 00:04:34,829 first time to talk about their 96 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,390 experiences for those of you who have 97 00:04:34,829 --> 00:04:38,699 had experiences you know that this is 98 00:04:36,389 --> 00:04:41,219 hard it's it is a frightening thing to 99 00:04:38,699 --> 00:04:43,199 put yourself out there and to talk about 100 00:04:41,220 --> 00:04:45,060 things especially when you live in 101 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:48,300 smaller communities and you're afraid 102 00:04:45,060 --> 00:04:51,538 that you're going to be ridiculed but I 103 00:04:48,300 --> 00:04:53,970 am I am honored this is why I do this 104 00:04:51,538 --> 00:04:56,519 and so I want to just welcome first of 105 00:04:53,970 --> 00:05:00,030 all my guest my two guests for the first 106 00:04:56,519 --> 00:05:02,279 hour Doug and his beautiful daughter cam 107 00:05:00,029 --> 00:05:03,359 who have had some interesting 108 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,638 experiences and 109 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,639 you came on the show last minute so 110 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:10,288 thank you so much both of you for doing 111 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:12,478 this I'm I'm honored to have you here 112 00:05:10,288 --> 00:05:15,240 and so we're gonna start with Doug and 113 00:05:12,478 --> 00:05:18,750 Doug first of all how are you what's 114 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:21,360 going on in your world dad thank you for 115 00:05:18,750 --> 00:05:24,180 being here and I want to start from the 116 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:27,150 beginning so people have a background as 117 00:05:24,180 --> 00:05:31,110 to what your first experiences were and 118 00:05:27,149 --> 00:05:34,589 how you evolved and are now out there 119 00:05:31,110 --> 00:05:38,009 with incredible gear doing research so 120 00:05:34,589 --> 00:05:41,638 to start from the beginning I work in 121 00:05:38,009 --> 00:05:43,229 the oil field so I have a different work 122 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:46,528 schedule than most people it's either 123 00:05:43,228 --> 00:05:48,839 days on or days off so some out for her 124 00:05:46,528 --> 00:05:52,610 be three or four weeks away from home at 125 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:57,318 times I I have a week or two off but in 126 00:05:52,610 --> 00:06:01,139 2008 I happened to be in between wells 127 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:02,699 and of mine that had a mutual friend 128 00:06:01,139 --> 00:06:06,028 that's also a treasure hunter because 129 00:06:02,699 --> 00:06:09,449 that's my first hobby wanted me to talk 130 00:06:06,028 --> 00:06:13,439 with his friend he finally had breakfast 131 00:06:09,449 --> 00:06:15,330 one drive here in the valley and then he 132 00:06:13,439 --> 00:06:19,050 decided that he wanted to show me his 133 00:06:15,329 --> 00:06:21,978 property that's set up by the Colorado 134 00:06:19,050 --> 00:06:26,038 Utah State Line and it's down on River 135 00:06:21,978 --> 00:06:29,668 though he went out there with a younger 136 00:06:26,038 --> 00:06:32,778 couple I guess he was trying to solicit 137 00:06:29,668 --> 00:06:35,818 them for funds to start something a 138 00:06:32,778 --> 00:06:37,620 bed-and-breakfast and maybe like a place 139 00:06:35,819 --> 00:06:42,330 that people that raft the river could 140 00:06:37,620 --> 00:06:46,379 stop and get supplies and such Oh on the 141 00:06:42,329 --> 00:06:48,568 way out there we stopped east because 142 00:06:46,379 --> 00:06:51,860 he's owned this property for 30 or 40 143 00:06:48,569 --> 00:06:54,598 years he's been a shift at the rhodium 144 00:06:51,860 --> 00:06:57,658 stopped for a brief moment and he just 145 00:06:54,598 --> 00:06:58,699 happened to mention be that hill over 146 00:06:57,658 --> 00:07:02,569 there 147 00:06:58,699 --> 00:07:05,870 yeah and he's this remember that's 148 00:07:02,569 --> 00:07:09,468 National Conservancy area so you know 149 00:07:05,870 --> 00:07:14,300 it's horse and flow 150 00:07:09,468 --> 00:07:16,610 be anything oh and then I didn't think 151 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:22,309 really anything of it because we were 152 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:24,348 going down to look at pathway back in we 153 00:07:22,309 --> 00:07:29,899 stopped above the river which was 154 00:07:24,348 --> 00:07:35,209 directly above and I I started to get a 155 00:07:29,899 --> 00:07:38,598 very strange feeling they think I should 156 00:07:35,209 --> 00:07:42,228 u-turn but kind of like a shiver and I 157 00:07:38,598 --> 00:07:44,569 thought well it kind of felt like I have 158 00:07:42,228 --> 00:07:48,079 too much espresso and you get that yeah 159 00:07:44,569 --> 00:07:50,619 I have going I wouldn't know anything 160 00:07:48,079 --> 00:07:50,619 about that 161 00:07:51,278 --> 00:08:04,218 I've heard stories Wow oilfield you know 162 00:07:54,649 --> 00:08:08,110 sometimes we maybe I was coming down 163 00:08:04,218 --> 00:08:11,269 with the coke so we continued on down to 164 00:08:08,110 --> 00:08:15,979 Bell Road tracks across some kind of 165 00:08:11,269 --> 00:08:20,778 ground and started on our way out and my 166 00:08:15,978 --> 00:08:23,528 phone rang and it was and I had to tell 167 00:08:20,778 --> 00:08:26,028 him look I gotta go this could cause 168 00:08:23,528 --> 00:08:27,829 kind of like the fire department you got 169 00:08:26,028 --> 00:08:30,668 to go there now because it's thousands 170 00:08:27,829 --> 00:08:34,310 of dollars now are waiting on you so 171 00:08:30,668 --> 00:08:36,468 they out right before we got to his gate 172 00:08:34,309 --> 00:08:39,559 cuz he actually has a walk further 173 00:08:36,469 --> 00:08:42,519 because he owns that property and he has 174 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:46,268 a right away with BLM grandfathered in 175 00:08:42,519 --> 00:08:46,269 he asked before 176 00:08:49,429 --> 00:08:57,319 he said do you see that like see what 177 00:08:53,259 --> 00:09:00,860 well pull it farther you get the brush 178 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:05,290 out of the way and I want you to look 179 00:09:00,860 --> 00:09:06,528 over to the right and I did gas for 180 00:09:05,289 --> 00:09:10,009 flashlight 181 00:09:06,528 --> 00:09:12,980 I gave him LED flashlights 182 00:09:10,009 --> 00:09:15,830 he started flashing out the window of 183 00:09:12,980 --> 00:09:19,639 the truck across the river and I see 184 00:09:15,830 --> 00:09:23,060 nothing so he had me pull up farther to 185 00:09:19,639 --> 00:09:25,039 where we would have a clean view of that 186 00:09:23,059 --> 00:09:31,479 area that he had been shinned on the way 187 00:09:25,039 --> 00:09:35,409 in and to my surprise was a very large 188 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:38,870 oval-shaped object that was kind of uh 189 00:09:35,409 --> 00:09:42,230 it was an orangish yellow and it was 190 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:43,210 just sitting there and he said oh there 191 00:09:42,230 --> 00:09:47,180 they are 192 00:09:43,210 --> 00:09:49,250 like excuse me there are what you know 193 00:09:47,179 --> 00:09:51,649 I'm still convinced that well this has 194 00:09:49,250 --> 00:09:54,769 got to be a house but you know I didn't 195 00:09:51,649 --> 00:09:57,039 see anything over there at that point he 196 00:09:54,769 --> 00:10:00,949 had me looked up into the sky and 197 00:09:57,039 --> 00:10:04,579 eventually I counted seven what he 198 00:10:00,950 --> 00:10:09,680 called satellite ships they were like a 199 00:10:04,580 --> 00:10:14,990 clear small ball of light it red 200 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:16,579 blinking light to my right which I was 201 00:10:14,990 --> 00:10:19,730 standing at the left render heard my 202 00:10:16,580 --> 00:10:21,950 truck there were four in the sky to my 203 00:10:19,730 --> 00:10:26,060 right straight up and they formed a 204 00:10:21,950 --> 00:10:30,110 diagonal line there was fifth one that 205 00:10:26,059 --> 00:10:34,699 was totally making around my right 206 00:10:30,110 --> 00:10:38,750 coming around this there was one front 207 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:41,450 sitting on top of a Mesa and the 208 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:43,039 conversation was sort of like what in 209 00:10:41,450 --> 00:10:47,180 the world is that and I'm like that has 210 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:49,189 to be held and you turn around he says 211 00:10:47,179 --> 00:10:51,799 well you know that's a 2,000 foot cop 212 00:10:49,190 --> 00:10:53,540 down to the river if that was a 213 00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:58,039 helicopter don't you think we would hear 214 00:10:53,539 --> 00:11:03,509 something and it dawned on me and yeah 215 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:06,870 yeah and I did I wasn't able to really 216 00:11:03,509 --> 00:11:12,690 enjoy the experience because I was in a 217 00:11:06,870 --> 00:11:15,589 because I had to go to work so we had to 218 00:11:12,690 --> 00:11:20,190 leave either in a hurry 219 00:11:15,589 --> 00:11:24,660 while this was still transpiring and on 220 00:11:20,190 --> 00:11:31,829 the way out he hit the main road as we 221 00:11:24,659 --> 00:11:34,198 were heading into Fruita Colorado like 222 00:11:31,828 --> 00:11:36,049 one of those lavas on the opposite side 223 00:11:34,198 --> 00:11:40,139 of the freeway 224 00:11:36,049 --> 00:11:43,679 Hawaiian Hills and matching us and speed 225 00:11:40,139 --> 00:11:47,159 which was weird but of course to me the 226 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:49,919 whole afternoon evening was weird and 227 00:11:47,159 --> 00:11:53,429 the only other odd thing that happened 228 00:11:49,919 --> 00:11:55,740 on that first time a phone rang during 229 00:11:53,429 --> 00:11:58,799 this process of heading back to the 230 00:11:55,740 --> 00:12:02,250 house and I couldn't dig it out of my 231 00:11:58,799 --> 00:12:04,159 jacket fast enough - it was a really 232 00:12:02,250 --> 00:12:09,480 strange number when I looked at it later 233 00:12:04,159 --> 00:12:17,458 it had what ended up to be the area code 234 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:21,028 and then 777 followed by four sevens 235 00:12:17,458 --> 00:12:22,828 which I thought was really odd but there 236 00:12:21,028 --> 00:12:30,059 again the whole night was odd I can't 237 00:12:22,828 --> 00:12:35,159 say if it's related but so that was 238 00:12:30,059 --> 00:12:38,278 basically the first experience in it so 239 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:40,740 did tell me about your family did you 240 00:12:38,278 --> 00:12:43,438 did you did any of you ever talk about 241 00:12:40,740 --> 00:12:47,068 this when you were growing up did your 242 00:12:43,438 --> 00:12:50,818 parents have experiences or things that 243 00:12:47,068 --> 00:12:56,549 they would consider paranormal or the 244 00:12:50,818 --> 00:13:04,429 otherworldly and what was ed semi-normal 245 00:12:56,549 --> 00:13:07,909 wife has always been something that I 246 00:13:04,429 --> 00:13:10,879 interest me because I have an open mind 247 00:13:07,909 --> 00:13:13,969 who wouldn't believe that we're the 248 00:13:10,879 --> 00:13:18,470 sentient beings in the universe that you 249 00:13:13,970 --> 00:13:23,028 have a very close probably lots of life 250 00:13:18,470 --> 00:13:24,649 in the galaxy and the funny thing is is 251 00:13:23,028 --> 00:13:27,799 you can read all the books you want 252 00:13:24,649 --> 00:13:30,350 watch all the TV shows and think you're 253 00:13:27,799 --> 00:13:32,479 up on the subject and something like 254 00:13:30,350 --> 00:13:34,879 this happens it will really knock you 255 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:37,459 back in the chair because I had to go 256 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:39,289 straight to work and my driller 257 00:13:37,458 --> 00:13:41,719 mentioned chimney because what happened 258 00:13:39,289 --> 00:13:44,328 to you why you're white as a ghost I 259 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,940 basically sat on my side of the shack 260 00:13:44,328 --> 00:13:50,778 for two days and processed what had 261 00:13:46,940 --> 00:13:52,819 happened to which you know I wasn't 262 00:13:50,778 --> 00:13:57,948 expecting a reaction like that out of 263 00:13:52,818 --> 00:13:59,958 myself interesting well I think I know 264 00:13:57,948 --> 00:14:03,649 when I've had experiences or when other 265 00:13:59,958 --> 00:14:06,349 people have and it takes it takes it out 266 00:14:03,649 --> 00:14:08,958 of you and this is just so out of the 267 00:14:06,350 --> 00:14:11,810 norm that I understand that and I've 268 00:14:08,958 --> 00:14:13,489 interviewed people you know from all 269 00:14:11,809 --> 00:14:16,369 over the world that have had similar 270 00:14:13,490 --> 00:14:21,230 types of experiences and then fallout 271 00:14:16,370 --> 00:14:24,589 from specific sightings and so let's go 272 00:14:21,230 --> 00:14:27,319 to I mean let's let's talk about the the 273 00:14:24,589 --> 00:14:29,199 area specifically where you were having 274 00:14:27,318 --> 00:14:31,188 these sightings did you do any research 275 00:14:29,198 --> 00:14:33,919 about it to see if there were other 276 00:14:31,188 --> 00:14:36,559 sightings or reach out to people that 277 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:41,299 you were working with this is back in 278 00:14:36,559 --> 00:14:43,399 late 2008 so the first thing I did of 279 00:14:41,299 --> 00:14:46,338 course like anybody else you get on the 280 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:50,230 internet and start trying to ask 281 00:14:46,339 --> 00:14:54,279 questions but then you soon realize that 282 00:14:50,230 --> 00:14:57,709 nobody really takes you serious 283 00:14:54,278 --> 00:15:00,259 thinks that they are channelling beings 284 00:14:57,708 --> 00:15:03,318 from another planet and I kind of call 285 00:15:00,259 --> 00:15:05,509 it the fruit the nuts approach so I 286 00:15:03,318 --> 00:15:09,458 basically kind of kept it to myself 287 00:15:05,509 --> 00:15:12,579 fact funny thing is as I mentioned it to 288 00:15:09,458 --> 00:15:17,509 some family members to get together and 289 00:15:12,578 --> 00:15:20,409 years later they actually went out there 290 00:15:17,509 --> 00:15:23,110 on their own and so far they are three 291 00:15:20,409 --> 00:15:28,120 of six for having their own sightings in 292 00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:30,639 the same area and that's where I really 293 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:33,129 appreciate your dedication to talk to 294 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:34,778 somebody out of the clear blue because 295 00:15:33,129 --> 00:15:37,209 you're the only one that I have ever 296 00:15:34,778 --> 00:15:41,470 been able to sit down and just let it 297 00:15:37,208 --> 00:15:43,628 out well I'm grateful that you've 298 00:15:41,470 --> 00:15:46,089 reached out to me you know and and we 299 00:15:43,629 --> 00:15:47,259 could talk about this because I know 300 00:15:46,089 --> 00:15:49,149 that you're out there and you're 301 00:15:47,259 --> 00:15:51,579 dedicated and you're buying equipment 302 00:15:49,149 --> 00:15:54,129 and and you're sending me information 303 00:15:51,578 --> 00:15:56,409 and I really I appreciate that it's been 304 00:15:54,129 --> 00:15:59,709 great to get to know you and to have you 305 00:15:56,409 --> 00:16:02,129 come to you came to Nick Redfern when he 306 00:15:59,708 --> 00:16:04,539 was speaking at the UTI UFO archive 307 00:16:02,129 --> 00:16:05,980 dedication which was so cool so it was 308 00:16:04,539 --> 00:16:09,068 nice to meet you in person and things 309 00:16:05,980 --> 00:16:11,438 and just to hear your experiences and 310 00:16:09,068 --> 00:16:14,669 and then to know that your daughter was 311 00:16:11,438 --> 00:16:18,099 involved or is involved in this has been 312 00:16:14,669 --> 00:16:20,740 it is it is it's important because this 313 00:16:18,100 --> 00:16:23,829 area doesn't have we don't have a lot of 314 00:16:20,740 --> 00:16:27,990 documentation and so that's what we're 315 00:16:23,828 --> 00:16:27,989 all doing and I really appreciate that 316 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:36,519 start going up Christmas they saved some 317 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:39,639 money and I purchased myself a pvs-14 318 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:41,350 which is the monocular I think vision 319 00:16:39,639 --> 00:16:43,539 monocular that's used by the United 320 00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:45,420 States Army I've also bought some other 321 00:16:43,539 --> 00:16:47,469 gear for it so I can do some reporting 322 00:16:45,419 --> 00:16:50,349 because that's kind of the next step 323 00:16:47,470 --> 00:16:54,430 after I cook my daughter out there July 324 00:16:50,350 --> 00:16:57,250 of last year because on that experience 325 00:16:54,429 --> 00:16:59,758 you know it got to the point where there 326 00:16:57,250 --> 00:17:03,068 were two or three really good 327 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:04,449 experiences over the years then I got to 328 00:17:03,068 --> 00:17:06,459 the point where I'd only go out there 329 00:17:04,449 --> 00:17:09,669 once gear because I got tired of playing 330 00:17:06,459 --> 00:17:11,650 flashlight tag with the light and I 331 00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:16,780 don't know if it's because my daughter 332 00:17:11,650 --> 00:17:18,490 was with me it's the the July first 333 00:17:16,779 --> 00:17:20,918 thing started out like it normally would 334 00:17:18,490 --> 00:17:24,400 across this Mesa that's about a quarter 335 00:17:20,919 --> 00:17:28,270 pound from Laurel and then he roughed it 336 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:31,149 into three distinct objects directly 337 00:17:28,269 --> 00:17:33,119 across the river you know moving 338 00:17:31,148 --> 00:17:35,819 changing colors 339 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:38,839 a daughter even had a thought like well 340 00:17:35,819 --> 00:17:43,049 why don't I ask it to change colors and 341 00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:44,939 she finished her sentence it did it of 342 00:17:43,049 --> 00:17:48,269 course we tried to get some video of it 343 00:17:44,940 --> 00:17:52,140 then we have some but it's from you know 344 00:17:48,269 --> 00:17:55,019 a phone camera so it's not the greatest 345 00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:58,110 quality but I think if I can get out 346 00:17:55,019 --> 00:17:59,549 there and it will throw itself the night 347 00:17:58,109 --> 00:18:01,169 vision is probably gonna be the way to 348 00:17:59,549 --> 00:18:04,470 go because you're looking at something 349 00:18:01,170 --> 00:18:06,390 where you can see in IR right and I will 350 00:18:04,470 --> 00:18:09,210 I want to just tell our listeners that 351 00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:13,350 you it mean it is it is very difficult 352 00:18:09,210 --> 00:18:16,319 to videotape something at night and and 353 00:18:13,349 --> 00:18:18,659 and you have been very diligent about 354 00:18:16,319 --> 00:18:21,240 doing that and you've also been great 355 00:18:18,660 --> 00:18:24,110 about sending coordinates and doing your 356 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:26,250 own investigations which is really 357 00:18:24,109 --> 00:18:29,369 important I think a lot of times people 358 00:18:26,250 --> 00:18:31,920 have sightings and then they they don't 359 00:18:29,369 --> 00:18:35,039 do anything with it and we you know I 360 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:38,400 can't do that a lot of us have to learn 361 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:41,609 how to do that on our own and I couldn't 362 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:43,590 that's cool that you do that to go by so 363 00:18:41,609 --> 00:18:45,869 you you have to ask a lot of people a 364 00:18:43,589 --> 00:18:48,329 matter of fact I would personally like 365 00:18:45,869 --> 00:18:51,239 to thank his David Beaty I think you've 366 00:18:48,329 --> 00:18:53,730 met him from the ATF form okay yeah two 367 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,680 weeks ago he's pretty much an expert 368 00:18:53,730 --> 00:18:58,380 with cameras and that kind of technology 369 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:01,620 and he has graciously helped me 370 00:18:58,380 --> 00:19:04,860 understand technology and what I should 371 00:19:01,619 --> 00:19:08,339 and should not bother that's that's a 372 00:19:04,859 --> 00:19:10,740 great help and isn't that wonderful I 373 00:19:08,339 --> 00:19:12,509 mean there are like Dave a lot and and 374 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:13,890 it was fun to have him on the show and 375 00:19:12,509 --> 00:19:18,000 talk to him for the first time and it's 376 00:19:13,890 --> 00:19:20,150 fun it you know as hard as this is when 377 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:23,309 you're dealing with a handful of 378 00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:25,290 delusional people you find people you 379 00:19:23,309 --> 00:19:27,629 know you've heard my you know what's 380 00:19:25,289 --> 00:19:30,269 going on but you know when you find 381 00:19:27,630 --> 00:19:32,460 people like Dave or you know Scott Brown 382 00:19:30,269 --> 00:19:34,319 which I really need to to kind of to 383 00:19:32,460 --> 00:19:35,730 hook you up with if you don't know him 384 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:38,609 already but when you find people like 385 00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:40,529 that you get a really great support 386 00:19:38,609 --> 00:19:43,349 system and we're all in this together 387 00:19:40,529 --> 00:19:46,259 and we're trying new things and 388 00:19:43,349 --> 00:19:47,969 I love I love that and that is that's 389 00:19:46,259 --> 00:19:50,640 some of those are the positive things 390 00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:53,490 that keep all of us going because you 391 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,230 really know if you talk to anybody and 392 00:19:53,490 --> 00:19:57,779 you mentioned what you're up to and why 393 00:19:55,230 --> 00:19:59,730 you get that that look you know and no 394 00:19:57,779 --> 00:20:01,829 one wants to talk to your health yet I 395 00:19:59,730 --> 00:20:03,329 just want to be able to document it I 396 00:20:01,829 --> 00:20:07,470 think the first thing that drives a 397 00:20:03,329 --> 00:20:11,069 person is I saw it no one believes me if 398 00:20:07,470 --> 00:20:14,549 I can figure out some way to capture it 399 00:20:11,069 --> 00:20:15,689 with it yeah and one of the reasons I 400 00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:17,639 love to send it to you right away 401 00:20:15,690 --> 00:20:19,799 because I send it soon as it comes out 402 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,960 of the camera I'll send it to you that 403 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:23,579 way it's it's it's unadulterated because 404 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,730 I don't I don't even know how to 405 00:20:23,579 --> 00:20:30,960 manipulate some of the software people 406 00:20:26,730 --> 00:20:33,960 use to clean up audio and visual data 407 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,640 like that so that's kind of a nice thing 408 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,680 when it's coming for me it's just going 409 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,600 from a layman and I don't I don't know I 410 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,810 know how to take the video but that's 411 00:20:39,599 --> 00:20:45,269 about the end of it right absolutely and 412 00:20:42,809 --> 00:20:48,990 I will say that you you have taken some 413 00:20:45,269 --> 00:20:51,240 great video it's time because your your 414 00:20:48,990 --> 00:20:54,569 eyes get used to the dark one of the 415 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:57,390 three objects where it's my left as it 416 00:20:54,569 --> 00:21:00,569 would you know fade in and fade out with 417 00:20:57,390 --> 00:21:03,450 that like white light here I can almost 418 00:21:00,569 --> 00:21:06,269 see the shape of the object once it 419 00:21:03,450 --> 00:21:09,110 would blink out because of the residual 420 00:21:06,269 --> 00:21:12,589 effect and I use focusing it at night 421 00:21:09,109 --> 00:21:15,000 pretty large from what I saw this time 422 00:21:12,589 --> 00:21:16,379 and I we're gonna talk a little bit more 423 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,460 about that and then when we get back 424 00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:19,740 from the break because we're getting 425 00:21:17,460 --> 00:21:22,259 ready to head there we will we'll talk 426 00:21:19,740 --> 00:21:24,000 with your daughter and and learn about 427 00:21:22,259 --> 00:21:27,750 the experience that both of you had 428 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:30,180 together because that is very cool and I 429 00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:33,569 will be interested to know what you know 430 00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:35,549 what effect that had on her as well so 431 00:21:33,569 --> 00:21:37,710 again thank you very much for being here 432 00:21:35,549 --> 00:21:39,899 I will 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518 00:25:57,288 --> 00:26:04,788 that's a craziest thing I've ever to be 519 00:26:02,028 --> 00:26:08,749 on with Erica call seven zero two four 520 00:26:04,788 --> 00:26:15,940 two five nine two three zero at 7:02 for 521 00:26:08,749 --> 00:26:18,288 $25.99 colors use skype name k cor radio 522 00:26:15,940 --> 00:26:23,088 share your thoughts on the show on 523 00:26:18,288 --> 00:26:26,179 twitter by using hashtag k cor more 524 00:26:23,088 --> 00:26:30,888 remember to the live chats at k cor 525 00:26:26,179 --> 00:26:35,660 radio.com and now your host of UFO 526 00:26:30,888 --> 00:26:38,119 classified Erica Luc's Erica who's 527 00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:40,910 Wow welcome back again I'm always happy 528 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:43,549 to be here on Friday and thank you for 529 00:26:40,910 --> 00:26:46,040 supporting the show for taking the time 530 00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:48,049 to spend Friday evenings with me for 531 00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:50,899 those of you who are new to the show you 532 00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:53,480 can go to UFO classified calm or Erica 533 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:58,759 Luke's calm to learn more about what I 534 00:26:53,480 --> 00:27:01,490 do and how I want to proceed my passion 535 00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:05,720 is obviously doing field research but 536 00:27:01,490 --> 00:27:08,509 also doing historical archiving and I am 537 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:11,450 headed out to California to meet Gordon 538 00:27:08,509 --> 00:27:14,359 lore to do just that with all of his 539 00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:16,100 files from the NICAP days and his 540 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,859 personal research in the 70s this will 541 00:27:16,099 --> 00:27:23,359 be really really cool if you are in Utah 542 00:27:18,859 --> 00:27:27,259 you can stop by my location which is a 543 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:30,729 wonderful archive you can study learn 544 00:27:27,259 --> 00:27:33,950 I can't wait and I'm actually also 545 00:27:30,730 --> 00:27:35,569 really thinking about and we'll do this 546 00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:39,380 reaching out to the University of Utah 547 00:27:35,569 --> 00:27:42,319 special archives to have a show with not 548 00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:45,350 only pieces from my archive but also the 549 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:49,129 work of dr. Frank Salisbury who was 550 00:27:45,349 --> 00:27:51,619 author of the Utah UFO display a very 551 00:27:49,130 --> 00:27:53,120 important book on the subject if you 552 00:27:51,619 --> 00:27:55,609 have not read it I would recommend 553 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,069 getting it as soon as possible it is 554 00:27:55,609 --> 00:27:59,869 groundbreaking and it highlights some of 555 00:27:58,069 --> 00:28:03,799 the areas that we are talking about 556 00:27:59,869 --> 00:28:06,519 tonight so get that I am joined tonight 557 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:09,730 with Doug and his daughter who will be 558 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:13,009 talking with us right now and we are 559 00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:16,880 learning about his sightings over the 560 00:28:13,009 --> 00:28:18,349 oilfields and then his his exploration 561 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,030 wanting to get good equipment and 562 00:28:18,349 --> 00:28:22,099 getting out there and doing all of these 563 00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:23,480 things and Doug I want to say to both 564 00:28:22,099 --> 00:28:24,859 you and your daughter thank you for 565 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,789 being here I know that you were both 566 00:28:24,859 --> 00:28:30,859 very nervous about that and I told you 567 00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:34,970 it was just like talking to a friend 568 00:28:30,859 --> 00:28:36,319 because you are it is but you know when 569 00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:40,509 when you've ever done something like 570 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:44,329 that you're really hesitant like what I 571 00:28:40,509 --> 00:28:46,640 know I know and it is it's it's a it's 572 00:28:44,329 --> 00:28:48,879 an interesting thing to talk about and 573 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,919 so for you to have 574 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,750 - for you to be able to come forward and 575 00:28:50,919 --> 00:28:54,909 do that that's a really really cool 576 00:28:52,750 --> 00:28:58,200 thing and and you'll teach other people 577 00:28:54,909 --> 00:29:02,380 and give other people courage to do that 578 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:04,600 so I love it you know it's a wonderful 579 00:29:02,380 --> 00:29:07,750 thing and I think it's going on a lot 580 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:12,519 more than we really let on to know just 581 00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:14,829 because people don't come forward you 582 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:18,028 know they they don't it's very difficult 583 00:29:14,829 --> 00:29:21,128 because where do you go you know you go 584 00:29:18,028 --> 00:29:23,349 yeah you you know you go to MUFON and 585 00:29:21,128 --> 00:29:26,648 and report things and sometimes you get 586 00:29:23,349 --> 00:29:28,599 good people or sometimes you don't and I 587 00:29:26,648 --> 00:29:32,079 mean the bottom line is all of us who 588 00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:34,808 try to research this you know I don't 589 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:36,759 have a science background I have had to 590 00:29:34,808 --> 00:29:39,970 get in there like you and teach myself 591 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:43,808 everything and reach out to people who 592 00:29:39,970 --> 00:29:46,389 can facilitate my learning process and 593 00:29:43,808 --> 00:29:49,599 you're doing the same thing and so it's 594 00:29:46,388 --> 00:29:51,490 great to find a cohesive group of people 595 00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:54,158 that wanted to do this together and 596 00:29:51,490 --> 00:29:55,659 don't have any interest in in making 597 00:29:54,159 --> 00:30:02,049 money or stepping over each other I 598 00:29:55,659 --> 00:30:05,710 think that's really what you can call us 599 00:30:02,048 --> 00:30:09,128 right and I look forward to going out in 600 00:30:05,710 --> 00:30:10,720 the field with you so that's you know 601 00:30:09,128 --> 00:30:14,859 that's the thing is when this first 602 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:16,389 happened and I wrestled with it I guess 603 00:30:14,859 --> 00:30:19,209 is the best way to put it I actually 604 00:30:16,388 --> 00:30:20,019 filed a kind of like an anonymous you 605 00:30:19,210 --> 00:30:23,139 know 606 00:30:20,019 --> 00:30:26,288 MUFON report didn't put the exact area 607 00:30:23,138 --> 00:30:28,928 because I didn't want to give it out and 608 00:30:26,288 --> 00:30:31,179 they really wanted to get out there but 609 00:30:28,929 --> 00:30:34,419 you know the old man that took me out 610 00:30:31,179 --> 00:30:36,399 there asked me you know not to talk 611 00:30:34,419 --> 00:30:40,840 about this a whole lot and where it is 612 00:30:36,398 --> 00:30:44,168 so I respected that you're one of the 613 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:47,859 few to know where it is to this date and 614 00:30:44,169 --> 00:30:49,778 some years later thank you and and and 615 00:30:47,859 --> 00:30:50,979 you know what there's a place that I 616 00:30:49,778 --> 00:30:52,450 studied and I've talked to you about 617 00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:55,990 this before I did field research in 618 00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:57,850 southern Arizona and that site is also a 619 00:30:55,990 --> 00:31:00,579 site that you know would it's not 620 00:30:57,849 --> 00:31:03,969 something that were publicly 621 00:31:00,579 --> 00:31:07,319 people if we don't want to talk about 622 00:31:03,970 --> 00:31:09,700 because it is such a sacred site and 623 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:11,319 some people that go in there you look at 624 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:13,870 what has taken place at skinwalker ranch 625 00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:17,230 and some of the people that just have no 626 00:31:13,869 --> 00:31:19,389 regard for people's private property or 627 00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:21,490 anything in fact I've got to just throw 628 00:31:19,390 --> 00:31:24,670 this in there when I was at it at the 629 00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:27,220 ranch a few months ago I I was you know 630 00:31:24,670 --> 00:31:30,039 on the periphery and there were empty 631 00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:32,829 beer bottles there were I mean all sorts 632 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:35,500 of trash and it's just like are you 633 00:31:32,829 --> 00:31:37,689 freaking kidding me there's a reason you 634 00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:40,900 know that you know you mentioned that 635 00:31:37,690 --> 00:31:44,200 place because I came so close to having 636 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:48,610 a nice vantage point to watch that place 637 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:51,130 do the work the company I work for got 638 00:31:48,609 --> 00:31:52,689 their own rig together and unfortunately 639 00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:55,300 they had some problems with the rig when 640 00:31:52,690 --> 00:31:57,400 they got it to Utah and then I had to 641 00:31:55,299 --> 00:31:59,589 move on to other work and I was not able 642 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,910 to be on that job but we would have had 643 00:31:59,589 --> 00:32:06,939 a direct line that you had approximately 644 00:32:02,910 --> 00:32:09,009 2.4 miles away from the ranch and I was 645 00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:12,330 really looking forward to that to use my 646 00:32:09,009 --> 00:32:14,799 night vision but I it didn't work out 647 00:32:12,329 --> 00:32:17,829 well everything happens for a reason 648 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:20,230 and so now you're just headed in a 649 00:32:17,829 --> 00:32:22,000 different direction and you know I want 650 00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:24,460 to get back to before we went to break 651 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,710 you were talking about you know the 652 00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:30,069 three objects that you were seeing and 653 00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:33,789 the white light and give us a little bit 654 00:32:30,069 --> 00:32:35,409 more information about that and that I 655 00:32:33,789 --> 00:32:38,319 would love to know that the time of 656 00:32:35,410 --> 00:32:41,679 night when you experienced this and then 657 00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:45,428 all of the details well I really like my 658 00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:47,610 daughter too beyond with us now because 659 00:32:45,429 --> 00:32:51,160 she was right there with me and 660 00:32:47,609 --> 00:32:55,419 cooperate and correct that if he doesn't 661 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:57,970 quite say it right and cam thank you so 662 00:32:55,420 --> 00:33:01,240 much for being here that it's I know 663 00:32:57,970 --> 00:33:03,579 it's I you know I I know that your this 664 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,279 is all probably very new to you and and 665 00:33:03,579 --> 00:33:08,699 being on the show is nerve-wracking but 666 00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:10,589 you're here and I really appreciate it 667 00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:13,870 yeah 668 00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:17,500 okay so don't 669 00:33:13,869 --> 00:33:20,529 came to me and said hey Dad can we go 670 00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:22,329 out and watch the UFO I was like sure 671 00:33:20,529 --> 00:33:25,149 you want to let's go 672 00:33:22,329 --> 00:33:27,279 so because I take him out there taking 673 00:33:25,150 --> 00:33:30,970 her out there once before but she wasn't 674 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:33,910 able to see it and so we went out same 675 00:33:30,970 --> 00:33:36,759 spot and this time we brought a little 676 00:33:33,910 --> 00:33:39,308 tiny tripod and I had her get on the 677 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:41,379 tailgate of my old Jimmy and put that up 678 00:33:39,308 --> 00:33:43,389 on the roof so she could be pointed you 679 00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:48,190 know with the camera directly at that 680 00:33:43,390 --> 00:33:50,410 little low-lying Mesa and I got up on 681 00:33:48,190 --> 00:33:52,179 the rock that I normally stand on that's 682 00:33:50,410 --> 00:33:53,860 about six to eight feet off the ground 683 00:33:52,179 --> 00:33:57,370 and started in with the like is that's 684 00:33:53,859 --> 00:34:00,129 usually what we tell you is I signal at 685 00:33:57,369 --> 00:34:02,678 that light and by the way we always 686 00:34:00,130 --> 00:34:04,330 drive out on that little Mesa that's a 687 00:34:02,679 --> 00:34:06,910 quarter mile away from where we actually 688 00:34:04,329 --> 00:34:08,739 are actually it's less than a quarter 689 00:34:06,910 --> 00:34:12,190 mile just to make sure there's no hikers 690 00:34:08,739 --> 00:34:15,398 campers somebody out there and then we 691 00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:17,500 start in and then all of a sudden out of 692 00:34:15,398 --> 00:34:20,259 like nowhere there it starts blinking 693 00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:22,840 back out and sometimes it's one night 694 00:34:20,260 --> 00:34:24,580 sometimes it's two lights sometimes it's 695 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:28,809 one light with a little red light it 696 00:34:24,579 --> 00:34:30,398 just it just really varies and cam was 697 00:34:28,809 --> 00:34:32,110 down there watching the camera and I 698 00:34:30,398 --> 00:34:33,730 said oh there it is I'm like do you see 699 00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:37,000 it do you see it and she's like no I 700 00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:39,190 don't see anything I'm like okay bring 701 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,739 bring yourself up here with the camera 702 00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:43,179 and I want you to see this and it kind 703 00:34:41,739 --> 00:34:46,148 of went from there and I want to say 704 00:34:43,179 --> 00:34:48,039 this is right after it got dark so I'm 705 00:34:46,148 --> 00:34:51,519 gonna say eight o'clock at night 8:30 706 00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:55,929 something like that on July 1st of last 707 00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:59,349 year and then she got up there and went 708 00:34:55,929 --> 00:35:02,320 oh well if that she actually got to see 709 00:34:59,349 --> 00:35:06,639 it and then somewhere in there kind of 710 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:09,250 stopped for a while and she kind of said 711 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:10,779 something like wow look at that and like 712 00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:12,460 we talking about there's nothing over 713 00:35:10,780 --> 00:35:15,880 there no look over here so I looked 714 00:35:12,460 --> 00:35:19,329 straight across the river and holy moly 715 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:22,990 there was three of them there was one 716 00:35:19,329 --> 00:35:24,789 load of my left one load to the right on 717 00:35:22,989 --> 00:35:25,449 the other side of the little valley and 718 00:35:24,789 --> 00:35:27,670 one of 719 00:35:25,449 --> 00:35:30,309 hi which that one is the one that did 720 00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:35,740 the oddball flyby at the end of the 721 00:35:30,309 --> 00:35:39,279 night that kind of spooked us and during 722 00:35:35,739 --> 00:35:41,949 this we could stand there and it's 723 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:46,420 really hard when it's dark to hold a 724 00:35:41,949 --> 00:35:49,210 camera whether it's your phone or a DSLR 725 00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:52,530 or whatever you have and try to focus on 726 00:35:49,210 --> 00:35:56,980 a light that's not constantly on moving 727 00:35:52,530 --> 00:36:00,460 so I think we did a pretty good job and 728 00:35:56,980 --> 00:36:04,119 like I said we I was actually able to 729 00:36:00,460 --> 00:36:07,539 see behind it as the residual light 730 00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:10,180 effect after it would blink out cameryn 731 00:36:07,539 --> 00:36:14,199 was able to use the flashlight to blink 732 00:36:10,179 --> 00:36:18,489 at it and the odd thing is I hate to say 733 00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:21,309 this but I think whatever it is likes my 734 00:36:18,489 --> 00:36:25,328 daughter like it likes me because she 735 00:36:21,309 --> 00:36:28,179 said dad I just kind of asked it to turn 736 00:36:25,329 --> 00:36:33,089 on the light and it did before I 737 00:36:28,179 --> 00:36:39,909 finished my thought and that right Kimmy 738 00:36:33,088 --> 00:36:42,369 yes pretty freaky at first honestly but 739 00:36:39,909 --> 00:36:44,618 you wanted to go out with your dad and I 740 00:36:42,369 --> 00:36:47,079 mean what at first when your dad told 741 00:36:44,619 --> 00:36:50,829 you about all of this like what was your 742 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:54,519 initial response well I didn't think it 743 00:36:50,829 --> 00:36:56,500 was crazy because I had previously kind 744 00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:58,809 of seen things because in our valley 745 00:36:56,500 --> 00:37:03,280 were surrounded by four main mountains 746 00:36:58,809 --> 00:37:05,078 and before like up on we got the book 747 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,380 cliffs where there's no roads up there 748 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:11,440 I've seen in lights I've seen like a 749 00:37:08,380 --> 00:37:13,660 green one and a purple one so like I 750 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,510 knew whatever he was talking about for 751 00:37:13,659 --> 00:37:18,940 sure he wasn't making it up because of 752 00:37:16,510 --> 00:37:23,319 things like this people can't really 753 00:37:18,940 --> 00:37:25,088 make it up so I knew that it was 754 00:37:23,318 --> 00:37:26,440 definitely something and I wanted to go 755 00:37:25,088 --> 00:37:30,940 check it out because it sounded very 756 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:32,260 interesting and so and then duck I 757 00:37:30,940 --> 00:37:34,030 wanted to say because you and I both 758 00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:36,010 talked about you know when you first 759 00:37:34,030 --> 00:37:38,480 contacted me and I was saying you know 760 00:37:36,010 --> 00:37:40,579 there you know make sure you're you 761 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,900 it's you know you all of us can get apps 762 00:37:40,579 --> 00:37:44,990 on her phone to make sure you're 763 00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:46,789 tracking airline flights and yada yada 764 00:37:44,989 --> 00:37:49,309 yada and you did all of those things so 765 00:37:46,789 --> 00:37:52,880 you put things through the paces so you 766 00:37:49,309 --> 00:37:55,338 could rule that out yeah that was a was 767 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:59,059 a Sunday night and I even showed cam we 768 00:37:55,338 --> 00:38:01,099 got that flight tracker and at that time 769 00:37:59,059 --> 00:38:03,549 frame all the way to past midnight there 770 00:38:01,099 --> 00:38:08,088 were no flights whatsoever in the valley 771 00:38:03,550 --> 00:38:12,800 so whatever it was was definitely not it 772 00:38:08,088 --> 00:38:15,710 was wasn't on the radar what else I mean 773 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,390 what else is in that area that you you 774 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:21,349 had to kind of put through the paces and 775 00:38:17,389 --> 00:38:23,809 rule out well the first thing you always 776 00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:25,670 have to rule out is like I said we drive 777 00:38:23,809 --> 00:38:28,309 out on that little Mesa just to make 778 00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:30,320 sure that there's not some campers or 779 00:38:28,309 --> 00:38:32,449 somebody out there that's I'm going to 780 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,070 like back at you because you have to 781 00:38:32,449 --> 00:38:36,679 drive right by it on the way out to 782 00:38:34,070 --> 00:38:38,450 where the vantage point is and I always 783 00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,469 go back to the same spot just because 784 00:38:38,449 --> 00:38:42,348 that's where I've always played 785 00:38:39,469 --> 00:38:44,989 flashlight tag with it and you know it's 786 00:38:42,349 --> 00:38:46,519 it's been for a while a long while it 787 00:38:44,989 --> 00:38:47,809 was something I just went out and did it 788 00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:50,059 once a year just to make sure it was 789 00:38:47,809 --> 00:38:51,739 still there because you know it's kind 790 00:38:50,059 --> 00:38:54,858 of like pinching yourself I really see 791 00:38:51,739 --> 00:38:56,059 that did I really see that and you know 792 00:38:54,858 --> 00:38:58,159 that's why I'm really happy that my 793 00:38:56,059 --> 00:39:01,429 daughter came out because she witnessed 794 00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:03,108 the same thing that I did and this was 795 00:39:01,429 --> 00:39:07,179 the first time in probably five years 796 00:39:03,108 --> 00:39:10,190 that it did more than just sit there 797 00:39:07,179 --> 00:39:13,519 mostly the level with the scrub brush on 798 00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:17,389 that little low-lying Mesa and did its 799 00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:20,539 thing but I 70 goes right by and that's 800 00:39:17,389 --> 00:39:23,809 a couple miles away and matter of fact I 801 00:39:20,539 --> 00:39:27,108 told you about this because I it just 802 00:39:23,809 --> 00:39:30,250 popped into my head last year that there 803 00:39:27,108 --> 00:39:34,489 was a gentleman by the name of Bob white 804 00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:36,818 who in the early 80s had an experience 805 00:39:34,489 --> 00:39:39,828 out there before i-70 I think was built 806 00:39:36,818 --> 00:39:43,550 where they came up over a rise heading 807 00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:46,310 to Utah and the UFO took off like a shot 808 00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:49,190 but dropped something and I believe 809 00:39:46,309 --> 00:39:50,108 Larry see Canada actually has that piece 810 00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:53,170 it was Wilby 811 00:39:50,108 --> 00:39:58,748 and when he died I think you're aware of 812 00:39:53,170 --> 00:40:01,088 that right and that's only nine miles 813 00:39:58,748 --> 00:40:03,308 from where this happens in fact Larry 814 00:40:01,088 --> 00:40:05,259 was very kind to help me with GPS 815 00:40:03,309 --> 00:40:08,739 coordinates and I have actually stood on 816 00:40:05,259 --> 00:40:12,338 that side and found it interesting and 817 00:40:08,739 --> 00:40:14,588 so what what is the history of of this 818 00:40:12,338 --> 00:40:16,298 location and what sort of research have 819 00:40:14,588 --> 00:40:19,480 you done with regard to that and Andy 820 00:40:16,298 --> 00:40:22,650 found other people besides those who 821 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:25,150 you've mentioned who've had sightings 822 00:40:22,650 --> 00:40:28,450 not much because it's a national 823 00:40:25,150 --> 00:40:31,989 Conservancy area so there there's no 824 00:40:28,449 --> 00:40:34,659 roads there's just to track and I'm sure 825 00:40:31,989 --> 00:40:36,639 at one time you know people would 826 00:40:34,659 --> 00:40:39,219 probably take 4-wheel drives or horse 827 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:41,139 and buggy you know out there but it's 828 00:40:39,219 --> 00:40:43,719 been National Conservancy area for quite 829 00:40:41,139 --> 00:40:45,788 some time so there's no buildings out 830 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,368 there there's there's nothing there's 831 00:40:45,789 --> 00:40:50,819 just one old dilapidated what building 832 00:40:48,369 --> 00:40:55,838 down by the actual side of the river and 833 00:40:50,818 --> 00:41:00,248 that's about it okay and it's okay as 834 00:40:55,838 --> 00:41:02,858 I'm aware there's no mining there's no 835 00:41:00,248 --> 00:41:06,759 there's no industry there's nothing it's 836 00:41:02,858 --> 00:41:09,190 just pristine land okay thank you and 837 00:41:06,759 --> 00:41:11,710 and I can I have to get back to you 838 00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:14,200 because you you mentioned that you were 839 00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:16,650 a little freaked out when you when you 840 00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:18,730 had a thought and then all of a sudden 841 00:41:16,650 --> 00:41:22,960 you're seeing this kind of a 842 00:41:18,730 --> 00:41:26,949 call-and-response did you how did how 843 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:29,499 how did you feel were you we shocked did 844 00:41:26,949 --> 00:41:31,449 you feel threatened were you excited 845 00:41:29,498 --> 00:41:35,469 what was the what were the emotions that 846 00:41:31,449 --> 00:41:37,149 you were feeling well I was just kind of 847 00:41:35,469 --> 00:41:39,159 sitting there I'm like well I've had 848 00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:40,450 this thing before and I was like well I 849 00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:43,538 wonder if I could do it with these guys 850 00:41:40,449 --> 00:41:45,608 so what out the light was going in and 851 00:41:43,539 --> 00:41:47,259 out multiple times I sat there and I've 852 00:41:45,608 --> 00:41:49,778 thought to myself all right let me close 853 00:41:47,259 --> 00:41:51,818 my eyes think in my head a question i 854 00:41:49,778 --> 00:41:54,068 sat there and I said can you shine 855 00:41:51,818 --> 00:41:56,920 brighter for me and before I finished my 856 00:41:54,068 --> 00:41:59,440 sentence it just exploded with light I 857 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,730 think probably the brightest my dad has 858 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,320 possibly ever seen it 859 00:42:00,730 --> 00:42:06,940 and the brightest that I saw that night 860 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:10,019 so when it did that yeah i sat there 861 00:42:06,940 --> 00:42:14,110 kind of in on I was like what just 862 00:42:10,019 --> 00:42:16,840 happened like how could it hear me how 863 00:42:14,110 --> 00:42:19,480 is it doing this it felt like my heart 864 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:23,610 kind of stopped and I was just like just 865 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:26,019 like speechless so I tried it again and 866 00:42:23,610 --> 00:42:28,570 there was another light that I saw on 867 00:42:26,019 --> 00:42:32,469 the rim where it was white and also red 868 00:42:28,570 --> 00:42:34,360 so I chose red for no white for yes and 869 00:42:32,469 --> 00:42:37,359 I started asking it some more questions 870 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,750 in my head and I asked it do you know 871 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,039 who we are and it blinked white for yes 872 00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:44,800 so I thought that was very interesting 873 00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:46,929 and then I asked it like are you ready 874 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:50,440 to be asked more questions and it 875 00:42:46,929 --> 00:42:52,059 blinked red and went away for a while so 876 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,280 that's the point where I kind of stopped 877 00:42:52,059 --> 00:42:56,679 because I knew it didn't want me to ask 878 00:42:54,280 --> 00:43:07,930 any more questions and that's really 879 00:42:56,679 --> 00:43:10,149 where it ended for that night the nice 880 00:43:07,929 --> 00:43:12,669 thing is while we were there towards the 881 00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:15,070 end having self-service out there 882 00:43:12,670 --> 00:43:17,139 because it's close enough to 70 and the 883 00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:18,690 border where there is a cell tower out 884 00:43:17,139 --> 00:43:22,239 there we're fortunate enough to have 885 00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:25,210 foraging on-site of all things so I have 886 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:28,509 that app on my phone where it's the 887 00:43:25,210 --> 00:43:31,150 Google Sky Map so we could put that up 888 00:43:28,510 --> 00:43:33,160 against what we were watching and see 889 00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:35,320 that okay we should be seeing the moon 890 00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:37,599 come up from behind the Mesa any minute 891 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,760 now and we could tell that the things 892 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:46,389 that we were seeing were not supposed to 893 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:48,640 be there and then the the final end of 894 00:43:46,389 --> 00:43:52,599 the night really freaked out both of us 895 00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:54,579 because as the moon came up the object 896 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:56,769 farthest in the sky that it kind just 897 00:43:54,579 --> 00:43:59,019 sat there and hovered all night while 898 00:43:56,769 --> 00:44:03,159 the other ones moved around started 899 00:43:59,019 --> 00:44:07,449 moving and it did a what I would call a 900 00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:08,230 360 flyby and as it came towards us in 901 00:44:07,449 --> 00:44:11,649 that arc 902 00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:13,510 it zigzagged up and down fast and slow 903 00:44:11,650 --> 00:44:14,070 and we both kind of like did you see 904 00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:16,260 that 905 00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:20,070 really see that I saw that I saw that 906 00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:21,990 and then it went behind a popular little 907 00:44:20,070 --> 00:44:23,880 Mesa there where there's a trail you can 908 00:44:21,989 --> 00:44:27,239 hike up on there and we thought oh well 909 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:29,789 it's gone for the night and no it popped 910 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:33,419 out from behind and kept going in that 911 00:44:29,789 --> 00:44:35,309 circle 360-degree circle and we were 912 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:39,150 both standing right next to the back of 913 00:44:35,309 --> 00:44:43,529 my Jimmy and as it got I would say just 914 00:44:39,150 --> 00:44:46,889 a fuzz past us all of a sudden it went 915 00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:48,900 from a white that clear light to it 916 00:44:46,889 --> 00:44:50,670 added a couple red blinking lights like 917 00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:53,190 any other aircraft in the sky which 918 00:44:50,670 --> 00:44:55,800 really makes you think what is really up 919 00:44:53,190 --> 00:45:02,010 there at night if they can mimic what we 920 00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:04,800 do then it just makes your mind real and 921 00:45:02,010 --> 00:45:08,190 then this is the first time this has 922 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:11,610 ever happened immediately after those 923 00:45:08,190 --> 00:45:13,559 lights came on it had a jet noise just 924 00:45:11,610 --> 00:45:17,910 like a jet flying in the sky and we both 925 00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:21,119 were like what in the and it continued 926 00:45:17,909 --> 00:45:23,159 on its 360 until it reached the Mesa 927 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:25,949 that was in front of us and to the left 928 00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:27,539 and then kind of dipped down behind it 929 00:45:25,949 --> 00:45:33,059 and that was pretty much the end of the 930 00:45:27,539 --> 00:45:37,409 night but that little flyby it just bugs 931 00:45:33,059 --> 00:45:39,210 me because normally a sighting is 932 00:45:37,409 --> 00:45:43,199 associated with you know of course 933 00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:44,909 lights and it is easily silent and this 934 00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:47,909 thing went out of its way to show us 935 00:45:44,909 --> 00:45:54,349 that it could do more than what we 936 00:45:47,909 --> 00:45:56,429 thought it's okay I mean what's that 937 00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:59,940 must have been an incredible thing for 938 00:45:56,429 --> 00:46:02,460 you to witness and so what what do you 939 00:45:59,940 --> 00:46:04,409 want to do with all of this are you 940 00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:06,539 going to go out there and get equipment 941 00:46:04,409 --> 00:46:08,940 or go hang out with your dad and learn 942 00:46:06,539 --> 00:46:10,559 more about it or what's your plan 943 00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:14,010 because we didn't we might need to keep 944 00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:16,320 track of you yeah I would love to go out 945 00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:19,740 there again I find it all very 946 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:22,230 interesting I definitely want to try and 947 00:46:19,739 --> 00:46:25,169 ask questions again that it's been a 948 00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:27,269 year later to see since I did ask that 949 00:46:25,170 --> 00:46:27,940 question if it was ready to see if it 950 00:46:27,269 --> 00:46:31,059 would be 951 00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:33,970 now and there actually is one part that 952 00:46:31,059 --> 00:46:37,089 I don't know if my dad remembers but we 953 00:46:33,969 --> 00:46:39,399 were sitting up on that rock and one of 954 00:46:37,088 --> 00:46:41,769 the lights disappeared and there was 955 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,210 nothing else so we were getting ready to 956 00:46:41,769 --> 00:46:46,838 be like okay it's done 957 00:46:43,210 --> 00:46:50,019 we're gonna pack up and go home but the 958 00:46:46,838 --> 00:46:52,420 light reappeared but not on top of the 959 00:46:50,019 --> 00:46:55,690 Mesa but like the whatever it was had 960 00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:58,960 landed on the ground and we saw the 961 00:46:55,690 --> 00:47:01,450 white string of lights and then it 962 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,579 seemed like the bottom looked like 963 00:47:01,449 --> 00:47:06,429 typically opened up and it was just a 964 00:47:03,579 --> 00:47:09,339 floodlight of light all over the ground 965 00:47:06,429 --> 00:47:11,558 from as far as fact we were I can make 966 00:47:09,338 --> 00:47:14,318 out that it was in a clear area where 967 00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:16,420 there were no trees or bushes but it had 968 00:47:14,318 --> 00:47:18,670 that bright light and it was there for 969 00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:22,960 probably like a minute or two and then 970 00:47:18,670 --> 00:47:24,460 it closed back up and disappeared I see 971 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,490 I don't remember seeing that that's 972 00:47:24,460 --> 00:47:30,068 really odd the the other little problem 973 00:47:27,489 --> 00:47:33,038 is as much as I would love to keep 974 00:47:30,068 --> 00:47:34,630 taking my daughter out there once we sat 975 00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:35,049 down and told the family about this 976 00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:38,650 story 977 00:47:35,048 --> 00:47:40,929 her grandmother forbade dad to take her 978 00:47:38,650 --> 00:47:42,579 granddaughter out there again so I'm not 979 00:47:40,929 --> 00:47:45,250 sure how we're going to process and get 980 00:47:42,579 --> 00:47:49,750 around that so what what were her 981 00:47:45,250 --> 00:47:53,139 reasons for doing that I think she's 982 00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:56,289 worried that somebody's gonna take her 983 00:47:53,139 --> 00:48:03,219 granddaughter it would be my thought so 984 00:47:56,289 --> 00:48:05,589 is she is she religious no okay so I 985 00:48:03,219 --> 00:48:09,548 mean it she's just she's concerned for 986 00:48:05,588 --> 00:48:13,269 the for the safety there's that okay 987 00:48:09,548 --> 00:48:14,920 yeah that's what I would say okay well I 988 00:48:13,269 --> 00:48:17,798 understand that you are out there 989 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:21,010 pushing the boundaries but I mean what I 990 00:48:17,798 --> 00:48:23,349 for me I think it is it's really cool 991 00:48:21,010 --> 00:48:25,450 and refreshing to see that you know 992 00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:26,849 you're a teenager and you're going out 993 00:48:25,449 --> 00:48:31,210 there you're having these experiences 994 00:48:26,849 --> 00:48:34,900 you're learning things you are not not 995 00:48:31,210 --> 00:48:37,028 frightened to do this and you want to 996 00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:41,789 keep learning more and I love that 997 00:48:37,028 --> 00:48:44,349 that's really important yes I had like 998 00:48:41,789 --> 00:48:46,359 experiences with also paranormal so 999 00:48:44,349 --> 00:48:49,119 stuff like this doesn't really faze me 1000 00:48:46,358 --> 00:48:50,858 that much anymore but still when it does 1001 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:53,410 happen I just kind of get that wow 1002 00:48:50,858 --> 00:48:56,380 factor of like that's really happening 1003 00:48:53,409 --> 00:49:00,149 but like it doesn't wait it really 1004 00:48:56,380 --> 00:49:03,250 doesn't scare me or shake me that much 1005 00:49:00,150 --> 00:49:04,930 that's great I love it and so Deb woody 1006 00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:09,159 what are you gonna do next because we've 1007 00:49:04,929 --> 00:49:11,710 got two minutes to show clothes well I 1008 00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:13,210 just put a bunch of time and some money 1009 00:49:11,710 --> 00:49:16,269 into my mother-in-law's 1010 00:49:13,210 --> 00:49:19,659 quad trailer so it's all ready to go and 1011 00:49:16,269 --> 00:49:22,088 I have back into the quad on jaxxed and 1012 00:49:19,659 --> 00:49:25,179 I'm putting on something tie rods and 1013 00:49:22,088 --> 00:49:28,960 rear bastard cylinder and once that is 1014 00:49:25,179 --> 00:49:30,308 available because my that Jimmy I'm 1015 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,440 building that's going to be the 1016 00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:34,839 expedition vehicle for this is is it 1017 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,849 Mushaf being worked on I am going to 1018 00:49:34,838 --> 00:49:39,009 start to get out there and try to run 1019 00:49:36,849 --> 00:49:40,990 and learn how to use my night vision and 1020 00:49:39,010 --> 00:49:45,130 then of course soon as I get something 1021 00:49:40,989 --> 00:49:46,808 credible on media I will get that over 1022 00:49:45,130 --> 00:49:48,400 to you but I think I'm going to have to 1023 00:49:46,809 --> 00:49:50,260 put it on a jump drive and send it to 1024 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:55,150 you because I don't and yet it's going 1025 00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:58,750 to be too large to send over okay and I 1026 00:49:55,150 --> 00:50:01,809 look forward to that moment and I've got 1027 00:49:58,750 --> 00:50:03,608 a we're gonna end I have to end this 1028 00:50:01,809 --> 00:50:05,829 segment of the show but I want to thank 1029 00:50:03,608 --> 00:50:07,808 both of you for being here and and I 1030 00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:10,930 look forward to the day where I can go 1031 00:50:07,809 --> 00:50:12,789 out there with both of you because that 1032 00:50:10,929 --> 00:50:14,739 will be an incredible experience so 1033 00:50:12,789 --> 00:50:17,799 thank you for for coming on the show 1034 00:50:14,739 --> 00:50:20,528 tonight we will talk very very soon and 1035 00:50:17,798 --> 00:50:24,068 good luck to both of you cam thanks for 1036 00:50:20,528 --> 00:50:24,250 doing this that's cool of course I love 1037 00:50:24,068 --> 00:50:26,769 it 1038 00:50:24,250 --> 00:50:29,380 it's absolutely I'm Erica Luke's here 1039 00:50:26,769 --> 00:50:32,528 with UFO classified next up I've got a 1040 00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:35,048 friend and a person who's experienced 1041 00:50:32,528 --> 00:50:38,108 things in the UN to Basin very near to 1042 00:50:35,048 --> 00:50:40,719 skinwalker ranch we will get her on here 1043 00:50:38,108 --> 00:50:42,880 to hear a story that she's never shared 1044 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,429 before publicly this is a wonderful 1045 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:48,220 night this is why I do it so I look 1046 00:50:45,429 --> 00:50:50,199 forward to to getting stuff on the line 1047 00:50:48,219 --> 00:50:52,000 you can go to UFO classify 1048 00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:56,759 calm to learn more about the show or 1049 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,760 earthquakes calm we will be right back 1050 00:51:03,088 --> 00:51:10,150 this is UFO classified live every Friday 1051 00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:13,839 night 4 p.m. Pacific 7 p.m. Eastern 1052 00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:16,570 exclusively on the kco our digital radio 1053 00:51:13,838 --> 00:51:19,299 network the truth is out there just 1054 00:51:16,570 --> 00:51:21,160 waiting to be discovered and now if you 1055 00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:23,079 will accompany me on a journey to the 1056 00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:26,769 future for more information on the hosts 1057 00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:29,140 of UFO classified Erica Luke's upcoming 1058 00:51:26,769 --> 00:51:31,659 guests as well as links to the past 1059 00:51:29,139 --> 00:51:35,980 shows visit our website and UFO 1060 00:51:31,659 --> 00:51:42,759 classified calm UFO classified UFO 1061 00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:44,260 classified this is K cor Las Vegas home 1062 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,510 of the digital radio network 1063 00:51:44,260 --> 00:51:48,940 broadcasting from a shack just south of 1064 00:51:46,510 --> 00:51:51,760 area 51 wait it doesn't exist this is 1065 00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:59,440 the K cor digital radio network now for 1066 00:51:51,760 --> 00:52:01,750 the news landed at a ranch at Corona New 1067 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,150 Mexico a rancher turned it over to the 1068 00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:06,369 airport right here W W bridge del was a 1069 00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:08,980 man who discovers the problem what I 1070 00:52:06,369 --> 00:52:13,410 thought was a star began coming in my 1071 00:52:08,980 --> 00:52:13,409 direction had a very rapid rate of speed 1072 00:52:14,099 --> 00:52:19,420 might be a blimp go slowly down the 1073 00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:20,170 Pacific coast from Santa Monica and 1074 00:52:19,420 --> 00:52:23,230 disappeared 1075 00:52:20,170 --> 00:52:24,260 south of Long Beach I saw a UFO and he 1076 00:52:23,230 --> 00:52:26,929 went down 1077 00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:34,250 turn right at the United Nations turn 1078 00:52:26,929 --> 00:52:38,449 left and then down the river you will 1079 00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:43,460 fall classified no more plausible 1080 00:52:38,449 --> 00:52:47,839 deniability fact fiction or the truth 1081 00:52:43,460 --> 00:52:50,659 you decide and now the new voice of the 1082 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:54,740 high desert the hostess of UFO 1083 00:52:50,659 --> 00:52:56,929 classified Erica Luke's welcome back to 1084 00:52:54,739 --> 00:53:00,139 the second half of UFO classified I am 1085 00:52:56,929 --> 00:53:02,659 happy to be here on kco our big shout 1086 00:53:00,139 --> 00:53:06,349 out to Tina Marie who deals with a lot 1087 00:53:02,659 --> 00:53:09,769 of audio issues and and the first half 1088 00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:12,380 an hour my my guests had not done Skype 1089 00:53:09,769 --> 00:53:14,210 before and so thanks for moving through 1090 00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:16,340 some of those challenges with the audio 1091 00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:18,110 but it was incredible to have Doug and 1092 00:53:16,340 --> 00:53:19,820 his daughter on the show these are 1093 00:53:18,110 --> 00:53:23,090 people that have not come forward before 1094 00:53:19,820 --> 00:53:26,330 and it takes a lot of courage to do that 1095 00:53:23,090 --> 00:53:29,930 so I appreciate all of that there's so 1096 00:53:26,329 --> 00:53:32,690 much going on here in Utah and I have 1097 00:53:29,929 --> 00:53:35,809 been working diligently for years to 1098 00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:38,510 amass research to make connections with 1099 00:53:35,809 --> 00:53:40,159 people to get out there and do field 1100 00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:44,270 research this is a very very special 1101 00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:47,480 place I want to just tell all of you who 1102 00:53:44,269 --> 00:53:49,909 are listening that I it is really we're 1103 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,219 in a very critical time right now we're 1104 00:53:49,909 --> 00:53:54,500 seeing a lot of disinformation we're 1105 00:53:52,219 --> 00:53:56,659 seeing a lot of delusional people that 1106 00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:59,150 have have inserted themselves in this 1107 00:53:56,659 --> 00:54:02,569 subject who are trying to make money who 1108 00:53:59,150 --> 00:54:05,630 are trying to obtain data manipulate 1109 00:54:02,570 --> 00:54:08,120 belief systems and the most critical 1110 00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:10,970 thing I can tell all of you is when 1111 00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:13,460 somebody inserts themselves into the 1112 00:54:10,969 --> 00:54:16,579 narrative you have to ask for their 1113 00:54:13,460 --> 00:54:19,130 credentials you have to ask for them to 1114 00:54:16,579 --> 00:54:21,799 say this is who I am I'm not going to 1115 00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:23,240 hide behind anonymity we have to be 1116 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,530 brave enough and professional enough 1117 00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:28,909 that we're going to put ourselves out 1118 00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:31,880 there and do that so we can build get 1119 00:54:28,909 --> 00:54:33,569 create integrity in the subject there is 1120 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,690 no room for 1121 00:54:33,570 --> 00:54:39,330 bullying or intimidation or harassment 1122 00:54:35,690 --> 00:54:42,480 in this field and that is what I strive 1123 00:54:39,329 --> 00:54:46,170 to to hopefully work through along with 1124 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:48,389 people like Scott Brown Amy northern 1125 00:54:46,170 --> 00:54:50,400 UFOs we're all here to do this together 1126 00:54:48,389 --> 00:54:53,519 to do it cohesively to do it with 1127 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,320 respect and integrity so any of you who 1128 00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:57,210 are looking for answers make sure you 1129 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,610 find it from a credible source because 1130 00:54:57,210 --> 00:55:01,920 there are lots of sources out there who 1131 00:54:59,610 --> 00:55:04,140 are not credible also make sure when 1132 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:07,050 you're looking at somebody and their 1133 00:55:04,139 --> 00:55:10,409 credentials that you have enough common 1134 00:55:07,050 --> 00:55:12,960 sense to ask whether their credentials 1135 00:55:10,409 --> 00:55:15,629 can be backed up and a lot of times 1136 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,849 people in this field have put forward 1137 00:55:15,630 --> 00:55:20,460 credentials that are absolutely untrue 1138 00:55:17,849 --> 00:55:23,009 and we deserve better than that 1139 00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:26,220 I know that all of us would put forward 1140 00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:28,620 our credentials so on that note I am 1141 00:55:26,219 --> 00:55:31,379 here with a woman that I have become 1142 00:55:28,619 --> 00:55:41,400 friends with and I cannot wait to see 1143 00:55:31,380 --> 00:55:43,980 her first of all thank you for doing 1144 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:46,880 this last minute and thank you for for 1145 00:55:43,980 --> 00:55:50,159 connecting with me and sharing your 1146 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:52,950 experiences you live fairly close to 1147 00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:57,480 skinwalker ranch and are in a unique 1148 00:55:52,949 --> 00:56:01,250 area and so tell us tell us how you 1149 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:04,230 first got involved with this well I 1150 00:56:01,250 --> 00:56:06,150 didn't mean to I mean I moved from 1151 00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:09,000 Wyoming thinking I was getting away from 1152 00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:12,150 everything all my paranormal experiences 1153 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:15,030 I guess UFOs I mean because there's like 1154 00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:17,130 I I've just always had experiences so I 1155 00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:20,040 thought okay I'm coming here for a job 1156 00:56:17,130 --> 00:56:22,710 and granny it's gonna be free there's 1157 00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:26,489 like an any problem find out my job is 1158 00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:28,860 pretty much right north over the 1159 00:56:26,489 --> 00:56:30,929 skinwalker ranch and I didn't quite 1160 00:56:28,860 --> 00:56:34,980 understand it at first and they was 1161 00:56:30,929 --> 00:56:37,649 having experiences and then you know as 1162 00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:39,420 I had experiences there walk-arounds 1163 00:56:37,650 --> 00:56:45,610 came up and I was like oh my gosh really 1164 00:56:39,420 --> 00:56:48,639 not again can't I just be free so I um 1165 00:56:45,610 --> 00:56:51,309 I joined the skinwalker ranch group on 1166 00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:54,549 Facebook and you know just converse with 1167 00:56:51,309 --> 00:56:57,039 people and you know share my experiences 1168 00:56:54,550 --> 00:56:59,890 and you know the more experience of a 1169 00:56:57,039 --> 00:57:03,369 half the more people have met that our 1170 00:56:59,889 --> 00:57:06,639 familiarity area can understand what I'm 1171 00:57:03,369 --> 00:57:08,529 going to do and this great that you 1172 00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:12,250 found it a support system like that 1173 00:57:08,530 --> 00:57:16,990 that's not important and so when tell us 1174 00:57:12,250 --> 00:57:20,380 about your first experience well walk 1175 00:57:16,989 --> 00:57:22,000 around with your wit well with life with 1176 00:57:20,380 --> 00:57:24,510 your first experience dealing with 1177 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,969 starving out of the ordinary 1178 00:57:24,510 --> 00:57:31,810 well it was really when I would remove 1179 00:57:27,969 --> 00:57:34,149 women that's why my os3 and I was always 1180 00:57:31,809 --> 00:57:36,250 afraid in the house I need but hide 1181 00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:39,639 underneath the table thinking something 1182 00:57:36,250 --> 00:57:41,440 was always watching me and as I started 1183 00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:43,719 growing up I would have friends over and 1184 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:46,900 they would experience things in my house 1185 00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:49,329 they there was um we'd be sleeping and 1186 00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:52,960 we wake up and I have a friend say 1187 00:57:49,329 --> 00:57:54,730 there's a man in the room and I didn't 1188 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:58,059 always see these things but I always 1189 00:57:54,730 --> 00:57:59,980 felt them and we screamed and I thought 1190 00:57:58,059 --> 00:58:01,690 for sure we'd wake everybody up in the 1191 00:57:59,980 --> 00:58:06,880 house not a sound 1192 00:58:01,690 --> 00:58:10,090 nobody um also another great I I would 1193 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:12,220 say it was warm it was like a dream to 1194 00:58:10,090 --> 00:58:14,320 me but it was like I think it was an 1195 00:58:12,219 --> 00:58:16,329 experience but you know how we try to 1196 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,519 block things and try to make it feel 1197 00:58:16,329 --> 00:58:21,039 like there was a dream but we know it's 1198 00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:25,300 real right on time 1199 00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:27,820 yes okay so this one I felt like I was 1200 00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:31,720 took out of my house and you know with a 1201 00:58:27,820 --> 00:58:33,670 young girl and I got round to our shed 1202 00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:37,359 and there was a bright light and there 1203 00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:41,079 was a I would say reptilian type person 1204 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:43,809 there he was in uniform type you know 1205 00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:47,170 I'm onesie type thing with a patch on 1206 00:58:43,809 --> 00:58:50,590 his left shoulder like we're in the 1207 00:58:47,170 --> 00:58:51,880 heart area to me and I remember him 1208 00:58:50,590 --> 00:58:54,519 saying you need to come with me and I 1209 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:58,570 said no I will not and I remember him 1210 00:58:54,519 --> 00:59:00,550 breathing air on me and I 1211 00:58:58,570 --> 00:59:03,280 remember it was really sick it made me 1212 00:59:00,550 --> 00:59:05,650 sick to my stomach I was sick for three 1213 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,750 days I was the only one my family was 1214 00:59:05,650 --> 00:59:10,960 sick for three days throwing up couldn't 1215 00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:12,610 keep food down I laid on the floor and 1216 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:16,000 there was in July I remember was being 1217 00:59:12,610 --> 00:59:17,950 in joy so to me that was another 1218 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,739 experience and then when I was a 1219 00:59:17,949 --> 00:59:25,389 teenager people would see people around 1220 00:59:20,739 --> 00:59:27,759 me I was at a friend's house that lived 1221 00:59:25,389 --> 00:59:31,089 in my almost in the same neighborhood 1222 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,890 and we walked into her house and there 1223 00:59:31,090 --> 00:59:35,680 was nobody in the house it myself I've 1224 00:59:32,889 --> 00:59:38,859 also started her and I was lost went in 1225 00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:41,019 and she turned around she screamed like 1226 00:59:38,860 --> 00:59:45,460 bleh murder and there was a man behind 1227 00:59:41,019 --> 00:59:47,320 me then and we ran in her bathroom we 1228 00:59:45,460 --> 00:59:51,070 come a shower there just standing in the 1229 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:52,600 tub I'm freaking out and I kind of scoot 1230 00:59:51,070 --> 00:59:55,300 down the water two months were really 1231 00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:58,150 freaking out she is so she won't even 1232 00:59:55,300 --> 01:00:00,570 talk about the experience I've asked her 1233 00:59:58,150 --> 01:00:03,519 she won't tell me anything about it I 1234 01:00:00,570 --> 01:00:07,420 you know because he was behind me so I 1235 01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:10,750 don't let they also they saw so and then 1236 01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:13,329 there's been other times where I look up 1237 01:00:10,750 --> 01:00:15,400 I wasn't actually remember Erica it was 1238 01:00:13,329 --> 01:00:20,739 today really try to remember these 1239 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:22,450 memories I was in fifth grade and it was 1240 01:00:20,739 --> 01:00:25,329 a triangle that black triangle was 1241 01:00:22,449 --> 01:00:28,569 hovered on the mountain firehouse and I 1242 01:00:25,329 --> 01:00:31,269 remember staring at it my real sister 1243 01:00:28,570 --> 01:00:34,410 and inside I'm staring at it and I don't 1244 01:00:31,269 --> 01:00:37,719 know how long time I was there I 1245 01:00:34,409 --> 01:00:40,269 remember waking up from the days of the 1246 01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:44,829 way hurting my mom doing dishes sublime 1247 01:00:40,269 --> 01:00:48,789 outside so I would have had some these 1248 01:00:44,829 --> 01:00:53,679 experiences my 30 he is very intense 1249 01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:57,039 okay here is more sounds around me like 1250 01:00:53,679 --> 01:01:00,519 doesn't my house or something and and 1251 01:00:57,039 --> 01:01:01,599 then like that was more militant because 1252 01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:03,190 with me 1253 01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:06,279 I had another experience I don't want to 1254 01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:10,000 discuss that on my radio okay so that 1255 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,480 wasn't yeah and we can talk about some 1256 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,989 others 1257 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:19,030 but it was related to experiencing the 1258 01:01:13,989 --> 01:01:21,789 triangle and then I've had people we are 1259 01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:23,800 playing kick-the-can they thought was me 1260 01:01:21,789 --> 01:01:26,500 to chase that person that I'm not even 1261 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,599 there I wasn't even in that area when 1262 01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:30,969 they were chasing so there's just many 1263 01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:33,849 things like that I've seen the lights 1264 01:01:30,969 --> 01:01:40,118 I've seen the ships you know the sky 1265 01:01:33,849 --> 01:01:44,019 when I moved here it was March 17 2016 I 1266 01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:45,910 moved here in August so 2015 but I 1267 01:01:44,019 --> 01:01:49,750 remember driving the work and seeing the 1268 01:01:45,909 --> 01:01:51,819 orange orb play what's gonna stop by 1269 01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:53,199 wait till I got to work with us oh I'll 1270 01:01:51,820 --> 01:01:55,869 get to work if it's still there I'll 1271 01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:57,578 take the video of it and because I don't 1272 01:01:55,869 --> 01:02:00,039 want to stop the husband crossing out on 1273 01:01:57,579 --> 01:02:03,460 the highway I mean I'm just going up I 1274 01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:06,429 highway 40 and the Lord's are crosses in 1275 01:02:03,460 --> 01:02:09,369 front of me but I'm like no dare stop 1276 01:02:06,429 --> 01:02:12,429 and so I have a little video of that and 1277 01:02:09,369 --> 01:02:17,289 then I've had videos of your folks going 1278 01:02:12,429 --> 01:02:23,799 on State Highway 121 to the point so 1279 01:02:17,289 --> 01:02:25,949 there's just you know I said well thank 1280 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:28,839 you so I have to ask you when you had 1281 01:02:25,949 --> 01:02:31,598 these experiences when you were younger 1282 01:02:28,838 --> 01:02:37,900 I mean did you talk to anybody in your 1283 01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:41,019 family about it um not really no I don't 1284 01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:43,838 you know sometimes when I was little 1285 01:02:41,019 --> 01:02:46,599 people called me weird so no I did not 1286 01:02:43,838 --> 01:02:49,659 talk to people I was afraid to as I've 1287 01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:52,450 gotten older I like it when I have my 1288 01:02:49,659 --> 01:02:54,309 camera cuz I could document it or if I'm 1289 01:02:52,449 --> 01:02:56,710 driving with someone and like hey I have 1290 01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:58,630 a witness it's hard for me to feel 1291 01:02:56,710 --> 01:03:00,068 comfortable talking about things if I 1292 01:02:58,630 --> 01:03:03,818 don't have a witness or I don't have 1293 01:03:00,068 --> 01:03:07,630 proof but what I do have is those people 1294 01:03:03,818 --> 01:03:09,009 that have been with me that haven't had 1295 01:03:07,630 --> 01:03:11,430 it services and they don't want to talk 1296 01:03:09,010 --> 01:03:11,430 about it 1297 01:03:11,550 --> 01:03:17,800 so did were you the only one in your 1298 01:03:14,170 --> 01:03:18,338 family that was seeing things I don't 1299 01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,839 believe so 1300 01:03:18,338 --> 01:03:25,028 I believe what my parents are able to my 1301 01:03:22,838 --> 01:03:28,808 dad's tell me stories about you 1302 01:03:25,028 --> 01:03:32,139 and I believe I mentioned this to you 1303 01:03:28,809 --> 01:03:34,059 before we lived in Michigan when I was 1304 01:03:32,139 --> 01:03:36,940 born I was born in Michigan and we lived 1305 01:03:34,059 --> 01:03:38,859 in when I call it Browns town I was 1306 01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:42,849 really thinking about that Brown town 1307 01:03:38,858 --> 01:03:45,278 Michigan before he moved to another 1308 01:03:42,849 --> 01:03:48,068 little suburb of Detroit and my dad 1309 01:03:45,278 --> 01:03:50,318 would told me that she leave the house 1310 01:03:48,068 --> 01:03:53,440 there was a light like sitting above the 1311 01:03:50,318 --> 01:03:54,548 hot wall around that neighborhood and he 1312 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,769 would come home and it was still there 1313 01:03:54,548 --> 01:03:57,998 so I tried to find the research but I 1314 01:03:56,768 --> 01:04:00,459 haven't been able to locate any 1315 01:03:57,998 --> 01:04:06,759 information about that she said it was 1316 01:04:00,460 --> 01:04:11,588 like then 19 1972 like 1975 possibly but 1317 01:04:06,759 --> 01:04:14,170 it happened he told me a story also he 1318 01:04:11,588 --> 01:04:16,568 was born in West Virginia we're getting 1319 01:04:14,170 --> 01:04:18,249 closer to some information here that he 1320 01:04:16,568 --> 01:04:21,940 likes a lot of things but he told me a 1321 01:04:18,248 --> 01:04:27,129 story where a young boy he knew saw UFO 1322 01:04:21,940 --> 01:04:31,690 and he was the young boy was never the 1323 01:04:27,130 --> 01:04:36,160 same after that so and then my both my 1324 01:04:31,690 --> 01:04:38,979 parents were in Charleston I believe my 1325 01:04:36,159 --> 01:04:43,028 I know my mom was a telephone worker 1326 01:04:38,978 --> 01:04:46,298 after China the Mothman and for that 1327 01:04:43,028 --> 01:04:49,389 point clubs at Mission West Virginia so 1328 01:04:46,298 --> 01:04:54,548 I think both my parents I think more of 1329 01:04:49,389 --> 01:04:57,719 my dad has the ability so David he's uh 1330 01:04:54,548 --> 01:05:02,728 he's also a pilot he was he was a pilot 1331 01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:05,789 too a commercial pilot no he was a 1332 01:05:02,728 --> 01:05:09,368 veteran of Vietnam they flew helicopters 1333 01:05:05,789 --> 01:05:11,289 he Porter's helicopter that crashed but 1334 01:05:09,369 --> 01:05:12,249 he also taught private lessons when we 1335 01:05:11,289 --> 01:05:17,528 lived in Miami 1336 01:05:12,248 --> 01:05:20,498 growing up so and so what did they did 1337 01:05:17,528 --> 01:05:22,778 did you feel I mean did your mom talk 1338 01:05:20,498 --> 01:05:28,058 openly about things or were they both 1339 01:05:22,778 --> 01:05:30,969 see did you how did they my mom has not 1340 01:05:28,059 --> 01:05:35,200 talked about more than my mom's not more 1341 01:05:30,969 --> 01:05:37,358 than your photo both of them the you 1342 01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:38,199 know seeing things seeing people you 1343 01:05:37,358 --> 01:05:42,219 know having no 1344 01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:48,129 that's having things move is more like 1345 01:05:42,219 --> 01:05:51,699 what we have so yeah I'm sorry Erica 1346 01:05:48,130 --> 01:05:54,789 thank you no no I know that this is hard 1347 01:05:51,699 --> 01:05:56,469 I know that this is hard for you I and I 1348 01:05:54,789 --> 01:06:01,000 you know like I said it takes so much 1349 01:05:56,469 --> 01:06:02,829 courage for you to come forward and you 1350 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,989 just know that you have a really 1351 01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:07,599 supportive group of people here 1352 01:06:04,989 --> 01:06:19,689 listening to you and who are I'm looking 1353 01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:22,569 at chat and seeing I'm married of course 1354 01:06:19,690 --> 01:06:25,510 but even with my husband I don't talk 1355 01:06:22,570 --> 01:06:27,280 about these things because I don't want 1356 01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:28,630 him to feel like he's gone I just don't 1357 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,700 want people get hurt I don't want them 1358 01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:33,369 to be afraid I don't want them to not be 1359 01:06:30,699 --> 01:06:34,419 my friend so it was like oh my gosh 1360 01:06:33,369 --> 01:06:39,809 there's a wall 1361 01:06:34,420 --> 01:06:39,809 there's a big wall around me you know 1362 01:06:39,929 --> 01:06:48,519 you just don't want other people to get 1363 01:06:42,340 --> 01:06:50,620 hurt when you have these experiences I'm 1364 01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:52,719 wondering though if you know if other 1365 01:06:50,619 --> 01:06:55,150 people so that way because it's like I 1366 01:06:52,719 --> 01:06:56,709 know there's more people like me because 1367 01:06:55,150 --> 01:06:58,750 I didn't know there were that many 1368 01:06:56,710 --> 01:07:01,210 people around me that had the same 1369 01:06:58,750 --> 01:07:02,590 experiences and so I'm sorry meeting 1370 01:07:01,210 --> 01:07:04,179 with these people and talking to them 1371 01:07:02,590 --> 01:07:07,300 and seems like that I really thought I 1372 01:07:04,179 --> 01:07:14,679 was alone and it's kind of still scary 1373 01:07:07,300 --> 01:07:17,080 to feel like you're alone you know we 1374 01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:20,710 don't live in the same city and might 1375 01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:22,779 you know it's it's always I know it's 1376 01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:25,329 hard and I know for me I've felt 1377 01:07:22,780 --> 01:07:28,030 isolated as well but you know we just 1378 01:07:25,329 --> 01:07:31,630 keep working and making connections and 1379 01:07:28,030 --> 01:07:33,580 and finding people and I'm really happy 1380 01:07:31,630 --> 01:07:38,260 that you found a great support system up 1381 01:07:33,579 --> 01:07:41,500 there and so with your with your family 1382 01:07:38,260 --> 01:07:43,720 did you have when is the last time that 1383 01:07:41,500 --> 01:07:49,269 you talked to your parents about any of 1384 01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:51,609 this oh my gosh you know I went home and 1385 01:07:49,269 --> 01:07:54,550 beginning of April 4 of 1386 01:07:51,610 --> 01:07:56,380 a couple days off and I know I talked to 1387 01:07:54,550 --> 01:07:58,630 them a few times about some of these 1388 01:07:56,380 --> 01:08:03,039 things too or you know my dad and I went 1389 01:07:58,630 --> 01:08:05,110 for a hike and you know is just we 1390 01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:06,909 talked about that we talked about some 1391 01:08:05,110 --> 01:08:11,370 of the things I don't I write them down 1392 01:08:06,909 --> 01:08:14,319 in the journal a lot of times so you're 1393 01:08:11,369 --> 01:08:16,088 yeah I mean I haven't really talked to 1394 01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:21,069 him lately but growing up we talked a 1395 01:08:16,088 --> 01:08:22,838 lot about it me we would talk a lot 1396 01:08:21,069 --> 01:08:24,819 about the situations and what we were 1397 01:08:22,838 --> 01:08:28,088 going through and what our friends were 1398 01:08:24,819 --> 01:08:30,520 going through but now that law my 1399 01:08:28,088 --> 01:08:32,769 siblings have moved to different parts 1400 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:37,029 of this country I don't feel like we 1401 01:08:32,770 --> 01:08:40,990 talked of knowledge yeah you know what 1402 01:08:37,029 --> 01:08:43,270 it's it's funny I have a client an old 1403 01:08:40,989 --> 01:08:46,588 client at my studio my Pilates studio 1404 01:08:43,270 --> 01:08:50,950 and he told me about his father's 1405 01:08:46,588 --> 01:08:52,510 sighting and it's you know it's it was I 1406 01:08:50,949 --> 01:08:55,149 think a little awkward it's always 1407 01:08:52,510 --> 01:08:58,690 awkward when you talk about UFOs with 1408 01:08:55,149 --> 01:09:00,519 people especially in a religious 1409 01:08:58,689 --> 01:09:02,169 community and you know you never know 1410 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:05,560 what the professional blowback will be 1411 01:09:02,170 --> 01:09:07,869 but it was really interesting as he 1412 01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:12,339 began to warm up and then I began to I 1413 01:09:07,869 --> 01:09:15,909 met his sister and they introduced me to 1414 01:09:12,338 --> 01:09:19,539 their father who was now 83 years old 1415 01:09:15,909 --> 01:09:22,389 had a sighting over Utah Lake with 1416 01:09:19,539 --> 01:09:24,548 another person where a UFO shot up and 1417 01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:28,950 it was vertical and they could see 1418 01:09:24,548 --> 01:09:32,649 beings inside of this and so he wrote a 1419 01:09:28,949 --> 01:09:34,179 beautiful story he wrote all of this 1420 01:09:32,649 --> 01:09:36,939 down for me and she's been sitting there 1421 01:09:34,180 --> 01:09:40,119 and videotaping her father talking about 1422 01:09:36,939 --> 01:09:41,889 his life experiences and believe me when 1423 01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:46,750 they come out they're absolutely 1424 01:09:41,890 --> 01:09:48,310 stunning and if not I mean for you I'm 1425 01:09:46,750 --> 01:09:50,020 so glad that you're keeping a journal of 1426 01:09:48,310 --> 01:09:54,039 all of this because this history the 1427 01:09:50,020 --> 01:09:58,770 family history is really important yeah 1428 01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:58,769 yeah so a night or so I can get going 1429 01:09:59,909 --> 01:10:06,489 yeah okay I just kill Rob Aaron 1430 01:10:04,750 --> 01:10:11,380 interference sometimes so am I going 1431 01:10:06,489 --> 01:10:13,779 please or interference tonight I I do 1432 01:10:11,380 --> 01:10:16,750 keep a journal and I've had expenses 1433 01:10:13,779 --> 01:10:21,009 like that but sometimes they are so when 1434 01:10:16,750 --> 01:10:23,890 you have when you it's hard for me to 1435 01:10:21,010 --> 01:10:25,690 say this but when you still away that 1436 01:10:23,890 --> 01:10:32,100 they feel like for me okay because I 1437 01:10:25,689 --> 01:10:37,239 show you I feel my husband's identity I 1438 01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:39,039 just feel sick after I my senses are 1439 01:10:37,239 --> 01:10:43,569 really messed up my equilibriums and I 1440 01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:46,029 thought you know just I've even drawn 1441 01:10:43,569 --> 01:10:50,079 the pictures and in my journal because 1442 01:10:46,029 --> 01:10:52,149 I'm like you know are these to me it's 1443 01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:53,529 like a dream but yet you know it's not a 1444 01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:56,859 dream because you wake up here so 1445 01:10:53,529 --> 01:10:58,329 exhausted you're tired you get marks on 1446 01:10:56,859 --> 01:10:59,109 your body and you're like what the 1447 01:10:58,329 --> 01:11:01,600 heck's going on 1448 01:10:59,109 --> 01:11:04,659 luckily I haven't had this happen for a 1449 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:07,360 couple months so I'm like yeah you know 1450 01:11:04,659 --> 01:11:10,779 Pitons was like oh my gosh it's so nice 1451 01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:12,519 to not be bothered all the time but I'm 1452 01:11:10,779 --> 01:11:15,429 also here in tunnel I'm also in the 1453 01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:17,800 basement so now it's like I feel like 1454 01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:20,740 I'm being watched I don't have to be 1455 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:23,409 taken I you know I'm right here I that's 1456 01:11:20,739 --> 01:11:25,210 us you know I don't know if that's how 1457 01:11:23,409 --> 01:11:28,449 other people feel that lives in this 1458 01:11:25,210 --> 01:11:30,699 area that you know have any spaces and 1459 01:11:28,449 --> 01:11:40,449 so how long have you been living in the 1460 01:11:30,699 --> 01:11:44,019 basin and and so you and it's you and 1461 01:11:40,449 --> 01:11:45,460 your your immediate family what what 1462 01:11:44,020 --> 01:11:46,900 happened we've got to go to break in 1463 01:11:45,460 --> 01:11:49,149 four minutes but I wanted to start 1464 01:11:46,899 --> 01:11:51,879 talking about this is what what was your 1465 01:11:49,149 --> 01:12:03,599 first experience when you move to the 1466 01:11:51,880 --> 01:12:07,980 basin now there's also paranormal normal 1467 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:13,600 for me all the houses are old like 1468 01:12:07,979 --> 01:12:16,329 timeless traps you know nothing seems to 1469 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,929 be updating for me it's just it's like I 1470 01:12:16,329 --> 01:12:20,090 go into the house and like 1471 01:12:17,929 --> 01:12:21,679 something near like oh my gosh they try 1472 01:12:20,090 --> 01:12:25,719 another house she had the same kind of 1473 01:12:21,679 --> 01:12:25,719 feeling and you're like going straight 1474 01:12:26,710 --> 01:12:33,140 to the place it was right by Ashley 1475 01:12:29,719 --> 01:12:34,609 I had an awesome experience which is 1476 01:12:33,140 --> 01:12:40,630 weird because it's like right by the 1477 01:12:34,609 --> 01:12:44,630 water that's why I just remember I have 1478 01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:47,390 more maybe after break what it's about 1479 01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:53,329 my reporting of the Brussels would that 1480 01:12:47,390 --> 01:12:55,520 be okay yeah yes and your your good week 1481 01:12:53,329 --> 01:12:58,760 you're kind of moving in and out I think 1482 01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:00,380 yourself oh yeah well you know what I'm 1483 01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:04,850 telling you it's the way it's rolling 1484 01:13:00,380 --> 01:13:06,590 tonight yeah I'm here can you hear me 1485 01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:10,750 okay yes yeah no you sound really good 1486 01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:10,750 actually and okay I'll pick up my phone 1487 01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:19,610 so okay so you had these experiences 1488 01:13:16,609 --> 01:13:21,319 when you moved there did anybody in your 1489 01:13:19,609 --> 01:13:25,479 immediate family have anything that 1490 01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:28,069 happened I don't believe so 1491 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:31,579 you know but I did have that one that I 1492 01:13:28,069 --> 01:13:36,309 reported to somebody and they came 1493 01:13:31,579 --> 01:13:39,829 investigated and documented and 1494 01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:43,659 videotapes my experience and they have 1495 01:13:39,829 --> 01:13:48,289 experiences so I don't know so that's 1496 01:13:43,658 --> 01:13:50,299 something we could talk about absolutely 1497 01:13:48,289 --> 01:13:52,340 yeah talk about that a lot because that 1498 01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:56,690 is for us yeah it's just seeing an end 1499 01:13:52,340 --> 01:13:59,390 before we go to break I mean what how 1500 01:13:56,689 --> 01:14:00,500 how are you feeling now I mean you said 1501 01:13:59,390 --> 01:14:02,270 that it's been a couple months since 1502 01:14:00,500 --> 01:14:07,010 you've had things that have taken place 1503 01:14:02,270 --> 01:14:11,030 but you are you feeling good I am 1504 01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:15,350 feeling good I am something good and you 1505 01:14:11,029 --> 01:14:17,329 know yeah I'm so good so yeah I still 1506 01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:20,090 get that feeling that night since I 1507 01:14:17,329 --> 01:14:22,279 forgot the window a lot keep the 1508 01:14:20,090 --> 01:14:26,719 nightlight on lights on you know it's 1509 01:14:22,279 --> 01:14:29,599 kind of crazy you know it's not crazy I 1510 01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:31,849 have honest but this is a 1511 01:14:29,599 --> 01:14:37,159 a little disclosure here but I have 1512 01:14:31,849 --> 01:14:39,010 always lied on I know somewhere in in my 1513 01:14:37,158 --> 01:14:41,408 house that's just the way I roll them so 1514 01:14:39,010 --> 01:14:44,480 I think it's interesting when you have 1515 01:14:41,408 --> 01:14:47,839 experiences from childhood on and how 1516 01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:49,309 that it affects you and that's why all 1517 01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,409 of us have found each other and why 1518 01:14:49,310 --> 01:14:54,920 we're here and trying to push boundaries 1519 01:14:51,408 --> 01:14:57,170 and figure out what's going on Alex that 1520 01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:59,618 is one thing and sorry I know about my 1521 01:14:57,170 --> 01:15:05,118 siblings we all Supergirl bite on so 1522 01:14:59,618 --> 01:15:07,969 yeah yeah I'll do sleep with Python yeah 1523 01:15:05,118 --> 01:15:10,339 well I am excited to talk a little bit 1524 01:15:07,969 --> 01:15:11,689 more about this get back from break 1525 01:15:10,340 --> 01:15:14,179 we're going to take our last break for 1526 01:15:11,689 --> 01:15:17,238 the evening America Luke's here with 1527 01:15:14,179 --> 01:15:19,190 Steph who lives in the UN two basin and 1528 01:15:17,238 --> 01:15:22,939 she's had a lifetime full of experiences 1529 01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:26,509 this is a really profound night on the 1530 01:15:22,939 --> 01:15:28,428 show because people who have not gone on 1531 01:15:26,510 --> 01:15:31,670 the record to talk about their sightings 1532 01:15:28,429 --> 01:15:34,069 are here and I think this is where we 1533 01:15:31,670 --> 01:15:35,599 need to go we need to really understand 1534 01:15:34,069 --> 01:15:37,609 what we're dealing with I'm happy to be 1535 01:15:35,599 --> 01:15:40,520 a part of that you get a UFO classified 1536 01:15:37,609 --> 01:15:42,049 calm or Erica Lucas calm to find out 1537 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:45,579 more about the show and to support the 1538 01:15:42,050 --> 01:15:45,579 show we will be right back 1539 01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:52,970 standby this is UFO classified with 1540 01:15:49,850 --> 01:15:55,579 Erica Luke's Erica Luke's the phone 1541 01:15:52,970 --> 01:15:58,159 lines are open now at seven oh two four 1542 01:15:55,579 --> 01:16:01,159 two five nine two three zero that's 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share your thoughts on the 1613 01:20:03,909 --> 01:20:14,409 show on twitter by using hashtag kay cor 1614 01:20:09,210 --> 01:20:17,909 to the live chat at KCUR radio.com and 1615 01:20:14,409 --> 01:20:25,359 now your host of UFO classified 1616 01:20:17,909 --> 01:20:27,069 Erica Luke's sadness that I come back 1617 01:20:25,359 --> 01:20:29,079 for the last segment of the show I could 1618 01:20:27,069 --> 01:20:32,019 keep talking for hours and hours and 1619 01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:34,090 hours I love doing this and talking to 1620 01:20:32,020 --> 01:20:37,510 people like Steph and Doug and Pam and 1621 01:20:34,090 --> 01:20:40,230 learning about how all of these 1622 01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:43,180 individual experiences shape your life 1623 01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:45,909 for me personally and stuff I know you 1624 01:20:43,180 --> 01:20:48,250 would agree with this it's like once you 1625 01:20:45,909 --> 01:20:51,539 have a sighting once you experience 1626 01:20:48,250 --> 01:20:54,789 something it you you're never the same 1627 01:20:51,539 --> 01:20:57,069 and you're always out there looking you 1628 01:20:54,789 --> 01:21:00,159 know you're looking looking for answers 1629 01:20:57,069 --> 01:21:03,159 looking for acceptance looking to try to 1630 01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:05,170 rationalize what you've experienced and 1631 01:21:03,159 --> 01:21:10,000 that's a hard and lonely place to be 1632 01:21:05,170 --> 01:21:12,810 sometimes great I am actually in college 1633 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:15,100 as universally I wrote a paper about 1634 01:21:12,810 --> 01:21:17,320 UFOs and my English teacher 1635 01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:18,850 she was from my hometown towards the 1636 01:21:17,319 --> 01:21:20,739 time I was raised in and she's like I 1637 01:21:18,850 --> 01:21:23,500 can't have you meet up for this person 1638 01:21:20,739 --> 01:21:26,199 but at that time it was in the early 90s 1639 01:21:23,500 --> 01:21:28,060 I mean I was scared that was like oh my 1640 01:21:26,199 --> 01:21:29,789 gosh I'm not ready for that you know so 1641 01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:31,750 I never did me that was someone and 1642 01:21:29,789 --> 01:21:33,699 because she liked it you have 1643 01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:34,809 experiences right and like yeah I have 1644 01:21:33,699 --> 01:21:40,000 it senses 1645 01:21:34,809 --> 01:21:41,739 so but you know you my dad did teach us 1646 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:44,349 that was what's up the sky now that I'm 1647 01:21:41,738 --> 01:21:46,359 thinking the bug he's like well let's 1648 01:21:44,349 --> 01:21:48,699 watch the Jets let's watch the judge sir 1649 01:21:46,359 --> 01:21:49,538 bye and so I've always had my eyes open 1650 01:21:48,698 --> 01:21:52,479 this time 1651 01:21:49,538 --> 01:21:55,000 and it's interesting to see what you can 1652 01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:57,698 see I like Roy you seem in a daylight 1653 01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:59,670 there like light fall from the sky they 1654 01:21:57,698 --> 01:22:02,109 kind of look like they're blinking 1655 01:21:59,670 --> 01:22:05,710 they're stationary and I have a couple 1656 01:22:02,109 --> 01:22:08,198 of videos of those and then I've seen 1657 01:22:05,710 --> 01:22:09,760 them at night it looks like I've seen 1658 01:22:08,198 --> 01:22:13,238 this one at night it was in Wyoming 1659 01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:14,889 again that it there was a satellite it 1660 01:22:13,238 --> 01:22:16,959 chased the satellite it went super fast 1661 01:22:14,889 --> 01:22:19,300 let's go down spins around it I'm like 1662 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:22,658 oh my gosh does weird but you know at 1663 01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:24,940 night sometimes it's hard to video take 1664 01:22:22,658 --> 01:22:28,569 photos of those so luckily our 1665 01:22:24,939 --> 01:22:30,969 cellphones have night visions a little 1666 01:22:28,569 --> 01:22:33,609 bit and I've gotten some great good or 1667 01:22:30,969 --> 01:22:36,908 some pictures but not always videos at 1668 01:22:33,609 --> 01:22:39,880 night and so and then you you make a 1669 01:22:36,908 --> 01:22:42,308 really great observation I mean some 1670 01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:44,020 wouldn't eat reports in cases that is 1671 01:22:42,309 --> 01:22:47,170 pretty profound cases that I've 1672 01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:49,989 investigated specifically one here in 1673 01:22:47,170 --> 01:22:52,750 2014 where there was a mass daytime 1674 01:22:49,988 --> 01:22:56,799 sighting of objects not only here but in 1675 01:22:52,750 --> 01:23:00,639 Colorado I mean those were white almost 1676 01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:04,079 metallic spherical objects that were 1677 01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:06,520 hovering in place for upwards of an hour 1678 01:23:04,078 --> 01:23:08,799 no transponder data I mean this was 1679 01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:11,199 really really important cases and so 1680 01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:13,480 when you look around and you see what 1681 01:23:11,198 --> 01:23:15,488 what people are capturing I mean could 1682 01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:18,218 they be weather balloons okay yeah great 1683 01:23:15,488 --> 01:23:21,729 weather balloons behave like a B C and D 1684 01:23:18,219 --> 01:23:23,408 you know you've got and so all of us 1685 01:23:21,729 --> 01:23:26,288 learn to put things through the paces 1686 01:23:23,408 --> 01:23:30,399 and then really identify things that are 1687 01:23:26,288 --> 01:23:33,038 truly anomalous and so I that's amazing 1688 01:23:30,399 --> 01:23:35,348 that you you do that just like Doug 1689 01:23:33,038 --> 01:23:38,920 you're very great about putting things 1690 01:23:35,349 --> 01:23:41,590 through the paces tell us about some of 1691 01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:43,349 the areas specifically in the Uintah 1692 01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:48,909 Basin where you've seen these these 1693 01:23:43,349 --> 01:23:53,139 objects well you know in my backyard 1694 01:23:48,908 --> 01:23:58,479 I saw ya couple times the backyard in my 1695 01:23:53,139 --> 01:24:00,760 house in Vernal and then and then um by 1696 01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:02,908 the place I worked at that's where I 1697 01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:06,880 took that coming 1698 01:24:02,908 --> 01:24:11,198 going north from the ranch it was the 1699 01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:16,690 orange orb I've seen where also it was 1700 01:24:11,198 --> 01:24:18,939 in July 2016 at the end of July where I 1701 01:24:16,689 --> 01:24:20,979 know if I walking my dog I didn't tell 1702 01:24:18,939 --> 01:24:22,448 my camera at that time really kind of 1703 01:24:20,979 --> 01:24:24,250 bun do you know you're just walking your 1704 01:24:22,448 --> 01:24:26,079 dog I'm supposed to be getting ready to 1705 01:24:24,250 --> 01:24:29,380 cook my husband more breakfast so he'd 1706 01:24:26,079 --> 01:24:34,269 have it for the morning I see group like 1707 01:24:29,380 --> 01:24:37,350 Amy right head I saw blue flash and then 1708 01:24:34,270 --> 01:24:41,500 I look again there's a large orb flying 1709 01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:44,469 kind of going north towards the 1710 01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:48,189 Northeast and that one was a big one for 1711 01:24:44,469 --> 01:24:50,380 me that one because of seem to me right 1712 01:24:48,189 --> 01:24:53,259 seen the green seeing the blue and then 1713 01:24:50,380 --> 01:24:56,139 seen the orange and seeing it kind of I 1714 01:24:53,260 --> 01:24:58,659 just watched it won awards fly over the 1715 01:24:56,139 --> 01:25:01,480 base and I'm like you know the brno 1716 01:24:58,658 --> 01:25:04,539 Basin area and I thought wow so I did 1717 01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:06,669 before that one and I did have someone 1718 01:25:04,539 --> 01:25:08,859 coming investigate and when they were 1719 01:25:06,670 --> 01:25:13,210 investigating and doing stuff things 1720 01:25:08,859 --> 01:25:16,420 happen to their case things were the 1721 01:25:13,210 --> 01:25:18,219 batteries were drained you know and 1722 01:25:16,420 --> 01:25:19,960 things followed them home which I told 1723 01:25:18,219 --> 01:25:21,189 them I said hey don't follow you home 1724 01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:25,090 now 1725 01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:27,549 I don't know what it is but maybe it has 1726 01:25:25,090 --> 01:25:31,630 left me for goods I don't know I 1727 01:25:27,550 --> 01:25:33,610 sometimes still fill it so yeah I don't 1728 01:25:31,630 --> 01:25:36,069 know I I really want to know if other 1729 01:25:33,609 --> 01:25:41,198 people have that feeling of something 1730 01:25:36,069 --> 01:25:43,329 always following them that's one thing I 1731 01:25:41,198 --> 01:25:45,009 really enjoy this about is when you have 1732 01:25:43,329 --> 01:25:47,050 these experiences you always feel like 1733 01:25:45,010 --> 01:25:50,469 there's something following you just 1734 01:25:47,050 --> 01:25:55,750 couple feet behind you know just working 1735 01:25:50,469 --> 01:25:57,670 around the corner or one from from what 1736 01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:59,649 I wonder when I interview different 1737 01:25:57,670 --> 01:26:02,230 witnesses and from my own personal 1738 01:25:59,649 --> 01:26:06,699 experiences I think 1739 01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:09,399 you there there's something that I have 1740 01:26:06,699 --> 01:26:15,039 felt personally that is is there I don't 1741 01:26:09,399 --> 01:26:16,509 know what it is right so it is it is I 1742 01:26:15,039 --> 01:26:19,329 look back on things and I've been very 1743 01:26:16,510 --> 01:26:21,970 meticulous about journaling things I'm 1744 01:26:19,329 --> 01:26:24,069 in there whether things are quiet you 1745 01:26:21,970 --> 01:26:26,440 know and you don't focus on things 1746 01:26:24,069 --> 01:26:28,569 you're focusing on work and family and 1747 01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:34,500 all of these things but it then it then 1748 01:26:28,569 --> 01:26:37,359 it pops up again it right whatever it is 1749 01:26:34,500 --> 01:26:40,180 and I have to ask you because you know 1750 01:26:37,359 --> 01:26:43,569 you move to the the basin just a few 1751 01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:45,520 years ago did you how quickly did you 1752 01:26:43,569 --> 01:26:48,009 start talking to people in the community 1753 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:53,110 about what was taking place or have you 1754 01:26:48,010 --> 01:26:56,230 I have I mean I joined a group we were 1755 01:26:53,109 --> 01:26:59,170 you know we talked about I had a local 1756 01:26:56,229 --> 01:27:01,509 group with some people that we did some 1757 01:26:59,170 --> 01:27:03,670 things we were observing things we still 1758 01:27:01,510 --> 01:27:06,460 talk a lot on Facebook and things like 1759 01:27:03,670 --> 01:27:09,789 that so I share those experiences they 1760 01:27:06,460 --> 01:27:12,640 share theirs with me if we get feelings 1761 01:27:09,789 --> 01:27:17,170 we talk about we have lots of numbers 1762 01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:20,230 that kind of just like you know there's 1763 01:27:17,170 --> 01:27:22,359 numbers there are just feelings there's 1764 01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:27,039 vibrations it feels like the grounds are 1765 01:27:22,359 --> 01:27:31,449 is moving you know but why why be here 1766 01:27:27,039 --> 01:27:33,039 to be sound why why it doesn't always 1767 01:27:31,449 --> 01:27:35,470 sound like there's a bomb going off 1768 01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:39,579 sometimes and base them you know when 1769 01:27:35,470 --> 01:27:43,329 there's no you know none of the 1770 01:27:39,579 --> 01:27:46,809 companies are you know doing mining at 1771 01:27:43,329 --> 01:27:48,430 that moment you know you know it's just 1772 01:27:46,810 --> 01:27:50,830 where things like that I know for me 1773 01:27:48,430 --> 01:27:53,680 sometimes I know when there's like more 1774 01:27:50,829 --> 01:27:56,859 of experiences are coming I don't have a 1775 01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:59,619 landline but I feel like I share 1776 01:27:56,859 --> 01:28:01,509 telephones ringing and then I always 1777 01:27:59,619 --> 01:28:03,729 have this feeling oh my gosh I'm going 1778 01:28:01,510 --> 01:28:05,619 to hear stop the door you know I'm 1779 01:28:03,729 --> 01:28:07,779 people knocking on door and there's no 1780 01:28:05,619 --> 01:28:10,689 one there that would happen a lot when I 1781 01:28:07,779 --> 01:28:12,579 have experiences I was here know before 1782 01:28:10,689 --> 01:28:13,869 would literally be reading but it sound 1783 01:28:12,579 --> 01:28:17,050 like a phone would be ringing 1784 01:28:13,869 --> 01:28:20,050 and I would hear knocks on the door you 1785 01:28:17,050 --> 01:28:22,659 know and things like that 1786 01:28:20,050 --> 01:28:25,060 I remember I'm talking about this 1787 01:28:22,659 --> 01:28:27,369 experience it wasn't here but yet I 1788 01:28:25,060 --> 01:28:30,490 don't want this experience to happen to 1789 01:28:27,369 --> 01:28:33,180 me again because it scare me and so I 1790 01:28:30,489 --> 01:28:34,840 guess sometimes when it's my time and 1791 01:28:33,180 --> 01:28:37,090 it's dark 1792 01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:38,230 I don't really truly go outside too much 1793 01:28:37,090 --> 01:28:42,250 I mean if I'm going to go look at the 1794 01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:45,489 Stars I'll do that but I was going out 1795 01:28:42,250 --> 01:28:48,149 to go exercise one morning I open the 1796 01:28:45,489 --> 01:28:51,369 door and there was a being there I 1797 01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:53,529 blinked my eyes I close them open them 1798 01:28:51,369 --> 01:28:57,550 and it was still there and I blinked one 1799 01:28:53,529 --> 01:28:59,649 more time Jenna disappeared but he never 1800 01:28:57,550 --> 01:29:03,150 had another like that but that was I 1801 01:28:59,649 --> 01:29:08,649 shut the door shut down I was in shock 1802 01:29:03,149 --> 01:29:09,939 that was very scary to me and I don't 1803 01:29:08,649 --> 01:29:12,609 know what kind of being it was I don't 1804 01:29:09,939 --> 01:29:14,619 know what it was doing all I know is I 1805 01:29:12,609 --> 01:29:16,389 could not leave the house and so 1806 01:29:14,619 --> 01:29:20,470 controlled nor would it look like from 1807 01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:23,110 memory um to me it was covered I 1808 01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:27,369 couldn't see its face so I know it was 1809 01:29:23,109 --> 01:29:31,739 like tan colored clothing but the head 1810 01:29:27,369 --> 01:29:35,619 tied part was like David's more flash 1811 01:29:31,739 --> 01:29:36,880 and you Third's holes for the ID so 1812 01:29:35,619 --> 01:29:40,380 that's all I could see and there was 1813 01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:44,079 hands but the hands recovered to you so 1814 01:29:40,380 --> 01:29:46,420 yeah that was pretty scary for me I I 1815 01:29:44,079 --> 01:29:48,489 mean when you blink and you think okay 1816 01:29:46,420 --> 01:29:50,460 it's just my mind but you'll be right 1817 01:29:48,489 --> 01:29:53,439 again and still there 1818 01:29:50,460 --> 01:30:00,250 you know that's something you don't 1819 01:29:53,439 --> 01:30:03,069 forget I just remember yeah so I try I 1820 01:30:00,250 --> 01:30:06,579 mean I like to go out you know I would 1821 01:30:03,069 --> 01:30:09,939 like to leave the house but ever since I 1822 01:30:06,579 --> 01:30:13,779 experienced early morning I truly Damas 1823 01:30:09,939 --> 01:30:17,679 it's time to go work so and I don't know 1824 01:30:13,779 --> 01:30:20,920 why maybe it's just I don't know why you 1825 01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:23,500 don't know why but usually when I get 1826 01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:25,840 started I call about the curtains but I 1827 01:30:23,500 --> 01:30:27,019 mean I do look out at night but I'm like 1828 01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:31,429 please don't let me see 1829 01:30:27,019 --> 01:30:32,599 I don't want to see and so I have to ask 1830 01:30:31,429 --> 01:30:35,378 you because you know you're in the 1831 01:30:32,599 --> 01:30:39,578 Uintah Basin and you've got not only a 1832 01:30:35,378 --> 01:30:42,738 decade after decade of UFO reporting's 1833 01:30:39,578 --> 01:30:46,389 Jr Hicks and Frank Salisbury you've got 1834 01:30:42,738 --> 01:30:48,878 you know reports of shapeshifters and 1835 01:30:46,389 --> 01:30:51,109 skinwalkers different things I mean one 1836 01:30:48,878 --> 01:30:54,378 you know when you moved out to the base 1837 01:30:51,109 --> 01:30:56,449 and how quickly did you learn about some 1838 01:30:54,378 --> 01:30:59,958 of the other types of things that were 1839 01:30:56,448 --> 01:31:00,678 being reported in the area it was within 1840 01:30:59,958 --> 01:31:03,469 a month 1841 01:31:00,679 --> 01:31:05,088 within a month because I my job I would 1842 01:31:03,469 --> 01:31:09,019 even expensing things and they tell me 1843 01:31:05,088 --> 01:31:13,488 about what was happening there so and I 1844 01:31:09,019 --> 01:31:15,949 can't disclose where I work but yeah bad 1845 01:31:13,488 --> 01:31:20,748 things that I said like they were 1846 01:31:15,948 --> 01:31:24,858 telling yeah yeah yeah I'm one of my 1847 01:31:20,748 --> 01:31:27,528 co-workers Tony got a friend of his had 1848 01:31:24,859 --> 01:31:32,479 a video of a skinwalker coming up from 1849 01:31:27,529 --> 01:31:35,510 the ground but that friend I'm just a 1850 01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:37,429 friend because it's the friend was 1851 01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:39,668 supposed to get rid of the video so they 1852 01:31:37,429 --> 01:31:41,929 got really ill and he wasn't able to 1853 01:31:39,668 --> 01:31:44,358 capture the video before they got rid of 1854 01:31:41,929 --> 01:31:49,998 it so there's kind of bummed about that 1855 01:31:44,359 --> 01:31:53,619 and then you know we the place would we 1856 01:31:49,998 --> 01:31:57,978 were allowed to be there after dark and 1857 01:31:53,618 --> 01:32:00,348 I remember one time I was there and I I 1858 01:31:57,979 --> 01:32:04,010 was there on the weekend and another 1859 01:32:00,349 --> 01:32:05,809 coworker was there and he he came to 1860 01:32:04,010 --> 01:32:08,539 tell me he was late and I thought okay I 1861 01:32:05,809 --> 01:32:10,248 was there by myself then and after she 1862 01:32:08,538 --> 01:32:13,068 lost about three minutes after he lost 1863 01:32:10,248 --> 01:32:15,438 the power went out granted I know you 1864 01:32:13,069 --> 01:32:18,019 know that's just coincidence so when 1865 01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:21,409 you're in the building and the doors all 1866 01:32:18,019 --> 01:32:23,929 the doors kind of shuts your computer 1867 01:32:21,408 --> 01:32:24,588 shuts off everything shuts off it's time 1868 01:32:23,929 --> 01:32:26,929 to leave 1869 01:32:24,588 --> 01:32:29,628 and so that was kind of I mean that's 1870 01:32:26,929 --> 01:32:31,908 just not really anything strange but yet 1871 01:32:29,628 --> 01:32:35,918 I don't wanna be there alone anymore 1872 01:32:31,908 --> 01:32:39,920 it's just I was like time to go home and 1873 01:32:35,918 --> 01:32:44,988 in that in my office building there 1874 01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:47,569 my face I had things move in the office 1875 01:32:44,988 --> 01:32:51,789 room and it would just be weird I'll be 1876 01:32:47,569 --> 01:32:54,349 like why is that moving you know and 1877 01:32:51,789 --> 01:33:17,719 there's just kind of strange things 1878 01:32:54,350 --> 01:33:21,260 going on I remember and then I remember 1879 01:33:17,719 --> 01:33:25,010 walking and then my mind's eye you like 1880 01:33:21,260 --> 01:33:27,469 see a figure trying to form on the brick 1881 01:33:25,010 --> 01:33:29,539 wall and I was like okay don't think 1882 01:33:27,469 --> 01:33:31,579 about it don't think about sometimes we 1883 01:33:29,539 --> 01:33:33,829 have the power to control 1884 01:33:31,579 --> 01:33:34,460 I mean if read fate I'm not afraid of 1885 01:33:33,829 --> 01:33:37,550 you 1886 01:33:34,460 --> 01:33:38,929 you know you saying you have the power I 1887 01:33:37,550 --> 01:33:41,210 have more power than you I think 1888 01:33:38,929 --> 01:33:46,069 sometimes we build that power up but 1889 01:33:41,210 --> 01:33:48,230 then I feel like sometimes that it can 1890 01:33:46,069 --> 01:33:52,219 affect our pets and hurt them I've had 1891 01:33:48,229 --> 01:33:54,229 kind of select it happen when I had my 1892 01:33:52,219 --> 01:33:55,880 little dog before I would come down I 1893 01:33:54,229 --> 01:33:59,689 feel like um sometimes she would be 1894 01:33:55,880 --> 01:34:04,640 attacked by it even here in this area 1895 01:33:59,689 --> 01:34:07,250 so um you know I think sometimes they 1896 01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:09,650 affect our pads too because I remember 1897 01:34:07,250 --> 01:34:11,689 just watching my cat watching my dog and 1898 01:34:09,649 --> 01:34:13,460 they're staring at something of course 1899 01:34:11,689 --> 01:34:15,678 we all know that happened so it's like 1900 01:34:13,460 --> 01:34:18,829 really and then in my house sometimes 1901 01:34:15,679 --> 01:34:20,480 and now this is something I wish I could 1902 01:34:18,829 --> 01:34:24,229 catch so I don't know that's truly 1903 01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:27,229 happening but I see with a right light 1904 01:34:24,229 --> 01:34:29,959 sometimes just walking by and I'm like 1905 01:34:27,229 --> 01:34:33,409 okay is it just because of my eyes or 1906 01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:35,989 the car lights coming from the window so 1907 01:34:33,409 --> 01:34:37,849 they never see car lights at that time 1908 01:34:35,988 --> 01:34:40,369 so I don't know if it's just my eyes 1909 01:34:37,850 --> 01:34:44,020 doing something the trick on me or if 1910 01:34:40,369 --> 01:34:46,429 there's actually something going on so I 1911 01:34:44,020 --> 01:34:49,010 tried to rational everything I always 1912 01:34:46,429 --> 01:34:51,739 try to say oh no no that just didn't 1913 01:34:49,010 --> 01:34:52,880 happen so I don't get afraid and I think 1914 01:34:51,738 --> 01:34:55,069 sometimes we could take our 1915 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:57,590 power back when we do that - I don't 1916 01:34:55,069 --> 01:35:00,559 know and absolutely I totally agree with 1917 01:34:57,590 --> 01:35:03,199 you and I have to say that when I you 1918 01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:05,750 know I mean it's inside why I'm in Utah 1919 01:35:03,198 --> 01:35:09,019 and skinwalker ranch so you went to base 1920 01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:12,590 and I mean this is my home and I want to 1921 01:35:09,020 --> 01:35:16,940 understand more and I've had some very 1922 01:35:12,590 --> 01:35:19,520 profound experiences in that area and it 1923 01:35:16,939 --> 01:35:22,729 is really hard because I you know you 1924 01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:25,520 can get embroiled with other people's 1925 01:35:22,729 --> 01:35:27,198 beliefs or their narratives and this is 1926 01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:29,650 it's all frightening frightening 1927 01:35:27,198 --> 01:35:33,710 frightening we should be scared and and 1928 01:35:29,649 --> 01:35:35,960 things and and to me that takes the 1929 01:35:33,710 --> 01:35:38,630 power away from me sometimes the more I 1930 01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:40,789 look to other groups or people to 1931 01:35:38,630 --> 01:35:43,579 explain to me what I saw that takes my 1932 01:35:40,789 --> 01:35:45,198 power away do you feel that because 1933 01:35:43,579 --> 01:35:47,238 you're in such a small community and 1934 01:35:45,198 --> 01:35:49,339 people are talking about things and then 1935 01:35:47,238 --> 01:35:54,069 there's this you know I mean it's really 1936 01:35:49,340 --> 01:35:56,949 easy to create a lot of conspiracy or 1937 01:35:54,069 --> 01:35:59,599 myths around specific things 1938 01:35:56,948 --> 01:36:02,448 specifically skinwalker you know you've 1939 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:04,100 got the black SUVs you've got all of 1940 01:36:02,448 --> 01:36:06,408 these things taking place I mean do you 1941 01:36:04,100 --> 01:36:09,280 think that how do you separate yourself 1942 01:36:06,408 --> 01:36:12,979 from your own personal experiences and 1943 01:36:09,279 --> 01:36:16,460 then you know try to push away some of 1944 01:36:12,979 --> 01:36:19,250 the the the beliefs that are being spun 1945 01:36:16,460 --> 01:36:23,359 around some of these stories does that 1946 01:36:19,250 --> 01:36:25,789 make sense yeah I you know being one 1947 01:36:23,359 --> 01:36:30,380 happens we go it's so kind of paranoia 1948 01:36:25,789 --> 01:36:32,479 so I you know I kind of like okay you 1949 01:36:30,380 --> 01:36:34,069 know I see a car zooming out front of 1950 01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:36,439 course you know living close to 1951 01:36:34,069 --> 01:36:39,979 something that there are is a lot of 1952 01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:43,009 cars I have been able to I use my 1953 01:36:39,979 --> 01:36:45,709 binoculars okay so see that you know 1954 01:36:43,010 --> 01:36:47,510 what listy bunk says okay let's just say 1955 01:36:45,710 --> 01:36:49,819 oh that's just so much traveling through 1956 01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:52,969 oh you know that they're lost or 1957 01:36:49,819 --> 01:36:57,289 something like that but you know it's 1958 01:36:52,969 --> 01:36:59,239 like there may be people you know that 1959 01:36:57,289 --> 01:37:01,729 have a black car that has a license 1960 01:36:59,238 --> 01:37:03,738 plates only in their back because it 1961 01:37:01,729 --> 01:37:05,689 won't work in the front well that 1962 01:37:03,738 --> 01:37:06,649 doesn't mean they're somebody that 1963 01:37:05,689 --> 01:37:09,559 should be 1964 01:37:06,649 --> 01:37:11,750 you know if we just we kind of jumped to 1965 01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:15,890 conclusions a lot sometimes and I think 1966 01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:18,470 then we get that hype scoring and I know 1967 01:37:15,890 --> 01:37:20,990 sometimes I like to get hyped up because 1968 01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:23,119 it makes people kind of mad at times you 1969 01:37:20,989 --> 01:37:25,489 know when I joke with them because I'm 1970 01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:28,279 like oh no you know just understand I 1971 01:37:25,489 --> 01:37:30,859 have a silly hero to people but yeah 1972 01:37:28,279 --> 01:37:33,229 it's right now sometimes there is 1973 01:37:30,859 --> 01:37:35,299 something going on but do I really need 1974 01:37:33,229 --> 01:37:38,359 to understand what is going on in 1975 01:37:35,300 --> 01:37:40,970 someone taking care of it for us do I 1976 01:37:38,359 --> 01:37:43,909 mean get my business into it because am 1977 01:37:40,970 --> 01:37:46,789 I going to hinder the maybe an 1978 01:37:43,909 --> 01:37:49,309 investigation or what they're testing or 1979 01:37:46,789 --> 01:37:54,340 what's they need to be doing so they can 1980 01:37:49,310 --> 01:37:57,950 be a problem ourselves if we are 1981 01:37:54,340 --> 01:38:04,940 invading other people stop you know if 1982 01:37:57,949 --> 01:38:07,569 we're interrupting a maybe they're doing 1983 01:38:04,939 --> 01:38:11,449 observations or things to see okay maybe 1984 01:38:07,569 --> 01:38:14,599 that we got movement now or maybe 1985 01:38:11,449 --> 01:38:15,229 there's that field has too many weeds or 1986 01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:18,350 something like that 1987 01:38:15,229 --> 01:38:20,569 I mean I worked I did a job out in the 1988 01:38:18,350 --> 01:38:22,940 country and not here but in Wyoming 1989 01:38:20,569 --> 01:38:25,069 where I had got to drive around and it's 1990 01:38:22,939 --> 01:38:27,710 rinsed outdoors but yet sometimes we 1991 01:38:25,069 --> 01:38:29,989 have people that were paranoid them need 1992 01:38:27,710 --> 01:38:31,789 to know what we were doing and it's just 1993 01:38:29,989 --> 01:38:34,880 human nature to be curious but yet 1994 01:38:31,789 --> 01:38:40,699 sometimes you know we can cause problems 1995 01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:42,199 too that makes I kind of don't know that 1996 01:38:40,699 --> 01:38:45,019 absolutely answers it and I think it's 1997 01:38:42,199 --> 01:38:47,029 so hard because you know you've got you 1998 01:38:45,020 --> 01:38:50,030 know Robert Bigelow who owned that 1999 01:38:47,029 --> 01:38:51,500 property and there were so many things I 2000 01:38:50,029 --> 01:38:55,329 mean it's like that nothing nothing was 2001 01:38:51,500 --> 01:38:58,069 ever put out there and so people could 2002 01:38:55,329 --> 01:39:01,609 kind of create a narrative because they 2003 01:38:58,069 --> 01:39:03,949 were looking for answers and so it's 2004 01:39:01,609 --> 01:39:07,399 it's very difficult but for me I think 2005 01:39:03,949 --> 01:39:10,489 that there's so many profound things 2006 01:39:07,399 --> 01:39:12,710 going on not just at the ranch but in 2007 01:39:10,489 --> 01:39:15,559 the failure to Basin that sometimes I 2008 01:39:12,710 --> 01:39:18,788 could to focus on other areas because 2009 01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:21,840 you can actually research that without 2010 01:39:18,788 --> 01:39:24,639 the other you know kind of the the 2011 01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:31,500 whatever this is that's going on there 2012 01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:34,210 yeah yeah yeah the history of Escalante 2013 01:39:31,500 --> 01:39:38,170 investigating you know coming through 2014 01:39:34,210 --> 01:39:40,840 here the Spanish explorer I mean it's 2015 01:39:38,170 --> 01:39:43,989 just you know I saw a picture of 2016 01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:45,699 starvation reservoir where I guess 2017 01:39:43,988 --> 01:39:47,439 there's a plaque there with his name on 2018 01:39:45,698 --> 01:39:49,569 it and like I've never seen that before 2019 01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:51,158 and he's over there and I've heard 2020 01:39:49,569 --> 01:39:53,948 people saying I've had experiences that 2021 01:39:51,158 --> 01:39:56,649 starvation reservoir I'm like Mahoney 2022 01:39:53,948 --> 01:39:59,888 you know well it's maybe explore what's 2023 01:39:56,649 --> 01:40:01,359 our way okay she had experiences you 2024 01:39:59,889 --> 01:40:05,559 know we have the Native American tribes 2025 01:40:01,359 --> 01:40:08,348 they have experiences and so it doesn't 2026 01:40:05,559 --> 01:40:09,788 have to be just on one part I mean I 2027 01:40:08,349 --> 01:40:11,980 don't want people coming in my house 2028 01:40:09,788 --> 01:40:14,229 trying to know what I'm cooking for 2029 01:40:11,979 --> 01:40:16,899 dinner every night think about that as a 2030 01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:19,899 ranch I mean you know unless they're 2031 01:40:16,899 --> 01:40:23,109 making like barbecue chicken and baked 2032 01:40:19,899 --> 01:40:26,288 beans or something that'd be great you 2033 01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:28,899 know I mean this is why I keep throwing 2034 01:40:26,288 --> 01:40:31,090 out the utah UFO display and all the 2035 01:40:28,899 --> 01:40:34,058 work of Frank Salisbury jr. Hicks I mean 2036 01:40:31,090 --> 01:40:36,309 a majority of that work and and the 2037 01:40:34,059 --> 01:40:39,550 sightings reports did not take place at 2038 01:40:36,309 --> 01:40:41,559 skinwalker ranch and so you know I mean 2039 01:40:39,550 --> 01:40:45,309 in my opinion is that the mecca of all 2040 01:40:41,559 --> 01:40:48,250 mecca's I don't know it is a fascinating 2041 01:40:45,309 --> 01:40:51,130 place but maybe we should be looking in 2042 01:40:48,250 --> 01:40:55,210 some of these other places right and I 2043 01:40:51,130 --> 01:40:58,328 you know I when I reach her just the UN 2044 01:40:55,210 --> 01:41:02,189 two mountains south of Wyoming are very 2045 01:40:58,328 --> 01:41:07,058 interesting to me I when I was driving 2046 01:41:02,189 --> 01:41:08,948 going towards Manila Utah and I right 2047 01:41:07,059 --> 01:41:10,420 before I hit this mountain I was like oh 2048 01:41:08,948 --> 01:41:13,210 my gosh that mountain feels like it's 2049 01:41:10,420 --> 01:41:15,429 moving to me well then I find a fun I 2050 01:41:13,210 --> 01:41:17,739 they drive around the corner if you went 2051 01:41:15,429 --> 01:41:19,840 to faultline I'm like oh my gosh that's 2052 01:41:17,738 --> 01:41:21,848 why I feel like that mountain this movie 2053 01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:24,460 because it really truly was in the way 2054 01:41:21,849 --> 01:41:28,630 you know we have so much sources we have 2055 01:41:24,460 --> 01:41:31,600 the dinosaur park here and you there's 2056 01:41:28,630 --> 01:41:35,859 so much history here 2057 01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:37,780 no environmental geological that it 2058 01:41:35,859 --> 01:41:41,559 bothered me that people would just think 2059 01:41:37,779 --> 01:41:43,269 one place when the geology here is very 2060 01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:45,670 interesting and I love geology I'm not 2061 01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:47,380 an expert after but I mean I love 2062 01:41:45,670 --> 01:41:50,770 collecting rocks I was going rock 2063 01:41:47,380 --> 01:41:52,449 hunting and things like that and I you 2064 01:41:50,770 --> 01:41:54,310 know just looking driving every day to 2065 01:41:52,449 --> 01:41:55,659 work I'm like I love working at these 2066 01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:59,800 mountains I love looking at the heavy 2067 01:41:55,659 --> 01:42:02,229 rocks and I stop and walk and I don't 2068 01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:04,329 have to be on the ranch to have a census 2069 01:42:02,229 --> 01:42:08,619 I can just be driving work and look up 2070 01:42:04,329 --> 01:42:13,059 oh look there's the forest also right 2071 01:42:08,619 --> 01:42:15,789 there so it's it's been incredible for 2072 01:42:13,060 --> 01:42:18,070 me to to talk to people like you and to 2073 01:42:15,789 --> 01:42:20,079 talk to other people who have had I mean 2074 01:42:18,069 --> 01:42:22,750 literally just the most profound 2075 01:42:20,079 --> 01:42:27,250 life-changing experiences in the UNT 2076 01:42:22,750 --> 01:42:30,220 basin and it is such a you know and some 2077 01:42:27,250 --> 01:42:33,340 people have been traumatized some people 2078 01:42:30,220 --> 01:42:34,630 feel like this is something positive it 2079 01:42:33,340 --> 01:42:38,949 sounds like you've had a little bit of 2080 01:42:34,630 --> 01:42:42,039 both you're actually I feel now that 2081 01:42:38,949 --> 01:42:43,929 I've lived here and have met these 2082 01:42:42,039 --> 01:42:46,750 people and have the support group I 2083 01:42:43,930 --> 01:42:48,520 don't so traumatized them I'm able to 2084 01:42:46,750 --> 01:42:51,039 you I mean I still don't open up about 2085 01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:52,930 it because I just don't know other 2086 01:42:51,039 --> 01:42:55,390 people's beliefs but the people that 2087 01:42:52,930 --> 01:42:57,579 have the same beliefs of me with 2088 01:42:55,390 --> 01:43:01,600 experiences and things like that 2089 01:42:57,579 --> 01:43:03,729 I feel more welcome I can share I don't 2090 01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:06,400 have to feel shame I don't have to hide 2091 01:43:03,729 --> 01:43:09,609 in my corner you know I don't have to 2092 01:43:06,399 --> 01:43:11,619 cry alone I have these people that I 2093 01:43:09,609 --> 01:43:11,829 said oh did you feel that did you hear 2094 01:43:11,619 --> 01:43:14,859 that 2095 01:43:11,829 --> 01:43:17,890 did you see that you know it's so nice 2096 01:43:14,859 --> 01:43:20,109 to actually have people validate what 2097 01:43:17,890 --> 01:43:21,910 you are seeing and believing and feeling 2098 01:43:20,109 --> 01:43:27,119 at the same time instead of feeling oh 2099 01:43:21,909 --> 01:43:31,420 my gosh you know I'm going to die yeah 2100 01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:33,970 I'm glad yeah that's a that's a very 2101 01:43:31,420 --> 01:43:35,770 important thing for all of us and I like 2102 01:43:33,970 --> 01:43:39,030 I said I cannot wait to get up and meet 2103 01:43:35,770 --> 01:43:39,030 you in person 2104 01:43:42,380 --> 01:43:47,960 but it's we're gonna make it happen 2105 01:43:44,300 --> 01:43:50,300 we're gonna do it yeah and I again I 2106 01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:51,800 want to just thank you for for being 2107 01:43:50,300 --> 01:43:54,020 here and having the courage to talk 2108 01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:57,500 about this I know it's it's this is not 2109 01:43:54,020 --> 01:43:59,389 easy and and this is at the end of the 2110 01:43:57,500 --> 01:44:00,939 day this is why all of us are here 2111 01:43:59,389 --> 01:44:03,020 because we've had life-changing 2112 01:44:00,939 --> 01:44:04,789 experiences and we're all looking for 2113 01:44:03,020 --> 01:44:06,920 answers and we're looking for support 2114 01:44:04,789 --> 01:44:10,579 and we're looking to move all of this 2115 01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:12,739 forward in a positive way so thank you 2116 01:44:10,579 --> 01:44:17,840 for being a part of that thank you thank 2117 01:44:12,738 --> 01:44:19,939 you yeah well and loved having you here 2118 01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:22,550 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